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Teachers feeding hungry children

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Mamie Wed 20-Jun-12 06:48:50

This is a shocking story in the Guardian today:
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/19/breadline-britain-hungry-schoolchildren-breakfast
It feels as if the gap between rich and poor is widening all the time at the moment.

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 10:30:22

But they probably do try to help themselves. It's just harder for some than it is for others. I don't think fat people can necessarily be labelled 'self-indulgent'. So much in health is down to luck. And poor living conditions wouldn't help.

this is interesting

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 10:31:14

Bags I DON'T FLIPPIN' KNOW!!!!

sorry blush

Greatnan Fri 22-Jun-12 10:35:00

No, of course giving children chips occasionally is fine - we were talking about a diet of virtually nothing else!
All the evidence is that people who go on 'fad' diets (i.e. restricting certain food groups) not only put any weight lost back on, but gain even more.
We all know, don't we, that the only way to lose weight safely is by eating a little less and exercising a little more and not expecting any quick results.

There are, of course, some children (and some adults) who appear to flourish even though they have a very restricted diet. Our bodies are strange and wonderful things.

Bags Fri 22-Jun-12 10:46:31

j no need for blush. There has been and still is a lot of propaganda. Hardly surprising if people are influenced by it smile

It's never been easier in this country to have a balanced diet. Perhaps it's also never been easier for people to eat too much. I agree with greatnan about fad diets. I know people who have been on diets all their lives and who never lose the weight they want to lose.

I don't avoid any kind of food as being bad for me, but I do tend to avoid raw celery as being a bit pointless as well as noisy.

absentgrana Fri 22-Jun-12 10:54:23

granjura Are you sure that there is nothing wrong with margarine? What about trans fats which are thought to be carcinogenic?

jeni Fri 22-Jun-12 11:07:15

petallusi think my version says plank?

absentgrana Fri 22-Jun-12 11:08:49

Why is being judgmental regarded as a bad thing? We make dozens of judgements about things and people everyday. Bias and prejudice are bad things but reasoned judgements aren't.

j04 I hope you were joking about the number of times you reuse oil for deep-frying.

Bags I found eating sticks of celery invaluable when I gave up smoking. grin
On the other hand, I cannot and never have been able to see the point of kohlrabi.

I thought the latest research showed that it is a myth that consuming lots of sugar causes hyperactivity. (Of course, it does cause swings in blood sugar levels but that's another matter.)

jeni Fri 22-Jun-12 11:13:26

I'm confused! Is jing eating soap to unclog her arteries?

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 11:53:09

absent I'm pretty sure six times is the recommended thingie. (I hope) [smikle]

jeni No! Washing up liquid usually.

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 11:53:20

Do not try this at home.

Bags Fri 22-Jun-12 11:56:20

jeni, yes. It was my advice, and I'm sure it's as good as any she'll get from the food police wink

absent, you've made life worth living again, now that I know raw celery has a use! (love it cooked in stews)

DH keeps blethering about sugar and insulin surges.

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 11:58:32

Even Nigella doesn't really know hmm

I don't even strain it. shock grin It's fine. Its a thermostatically controlled deep fat fryer. Only do chips in it.

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 11:59:02

I love celery in stews Bags.

absentgrana Fri 22-Jun-12 12:12:37

j04 It is best to discard oil used for deep-frying once it has cooled. This is because it has already begun to break down as a result of the high temperature (typically 180–190°C/350–375°F), producing undesirable components such as trans fats. If you must re-use it, it should be strained and stored in the refrigerator and discarded after a week or when it has noticeably oxidised. (You can recognise this by the smell and the darkened colour.) It is not recommended that the same oil should be used for deep-frying more than two or three times. Using a thermostatically controlled deep-fryer is safer from the point of view of avoiding a fire but does not make reusing the oil any safer from a health point of view.

absentgrana Fri 22-Jun-12 12:14:18

j04 Your Nigella link is just assessing the risk of the oil catching fire. It is not concerned with toxicity.

JessM Fri 22-Jun-12 12:25:01

Was trying to avoid sweeping generalisations Bags using words like average, may, appear, and I think...
Of course teachers label kids alison but i don't think there is any reason to think that it is common for them to label thus: "They are small therefore they are slow, or no good at sport"
it is just something I have noticed...

Yes absent transfats indeed. There are fewer of them around now but it is a very good reason to avoid biscuits. Apart from all butter shortbread, which I suspect Bags and i would agree are a good thing. In moderation. Its the moderation bit i find problematic.

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 12:29:02

I don't think it's only that absent.

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 12:38:47

Right. I will cut it down to four times.

"Hence, the effects of foods fried in reused oils are still unknown and may warrant further research as reusing oils is known to make them more harmful, the authors report."

From this report

jeni Fri 22-Jun-12 12:44:15

I don't even own a deep fryer or a deep friar, is that a fat monk?

dorsetpennt Fri 22-Jun-12 13:24:03

like jeni I don't own a deep fat fryer - in fact I fry bacon only! When I visited my daugher in Bavaria we went to a local beer celler/restaurant and the smell of fat was heavily in evidence. Accordance to my daughter that part of Germany is very fond of deep fat frying everything. I was amzed to learn people still fry chips, I thought everyone used oven chips these days. Silly me!

absentgrana Fri 22-Jun-12 13:37:58

No jeni It's a philosophical monk. grin

jeni Fri 22-Jun-12 13:38:46

Not a felonious one?

absentgrana Fri 22-Jun-12 13:39:35

No, he was a pianist.

Mamie Fri 22-Jun-12 13:47:36

We make "oven chips" by boiling potatoes with the skin on until they are almost cooked, leaving them to get cold, peeling them, then cutting into wedges and cooking in the oven in a bit of olive oil and course sea salt. Good with sweet potato too.
Only have them about once a fortnight, though.

j04 Fri 22-Jun-12 13:53:10

Oven chips are never as good!

Mamie that's 'wedges'. Not the same. I do those unpeeled, and use Fry-light.