'The thug in police uniform'. (Daily Mail today)

Whats with the coyness Amelianne ?

Oh for heaven's sake. It's not the least bit important when someone joined Gransnet and, of course, any member may post on any subject with any opinion at a time of their choosing. I don't think anyone is suggesting that an opinion differing from what seems to be a consensus shouldn't be expressed. I should be horrified if they were. For all that, I still think your view is mistaken ameliaanne.

Does that make a difference?

Not at all , anyone can post , however , you haven"t answered question about whether you are a new poster

Greatnan and Nonu, are you saying that if someone has a different opinion from the majority on here, they shouldn't be posting? It does seem like that. My remark about the media coverage on the family was indeed nothing to do with the trial and I should have posted it separately.

I feel it's a case of the police force 'looking after their own' when, in fact they should be looking after us. Disgraceful.

Come on girls "nail your colours to the mast"

Are they "Newbies" ?

AmeliaAnn and AnneMaria - I can't find any other posts for either of you.What a coincidence if you should both have felt moved to post for the first time on this subject. Apart from yourselves, there does not seem to be much controversy.

It would appear to me that it is!

Oh come on !

It seems like everyone has an opinion and it's one side or the other. And it would appear that this is not a straight forward of right versus wrong actions.

Well said !

What on earth has Mr. Tomlinson's family relationships got to do with the case, other than to try to prove in some way that he deserved to be killed?
No, we don't have to have been in the police force to know that hitting an unarmed person from behind is wrong. Mr. Tomlinson posed no threat to any policeman or member of the public. Perhaps he was a bit annoying, but that hardly deserves the violence of the attack.
Even Harwood himself admitted to experiencing a 'red mist' - is that the type of person we want policing the streets?
Whether or not the jury knew of his past record, we know it now, so I am amazed that anybody would try to support him.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm !!!!!

I think that until any of us have done the job we cannot totally understand.

Nevertheless, the coroner's judgement was that Mr Tomlinson was unlawfully killed. Bit of a paradox there.

So, can we take it you think PC Harwood is a shining example of a good policeman?

Harwood's trial was on this case alone just as it should be in any trial. The jury found him not guilty. Police have complaints made against them all the time because of the nature of the job and the people they deal with. And all this lovey-dovey sentiment from Tomlinson's family - he was homeless for 13 years - where were they all then? Oh yes. It all sells newspapers.

Greatnan I think the first pathologist has actually been suspended, but not over this case so his opinion has to be considered as professional and valid as the second one.

I will have to go back and check, but I think the pathologist used was somewhat dodgy anyway and the family had to ask for another post mortem.
Harwood has been on 'gardening' leave on full pay ever since the incident!

I think some of the problem may lie with the discrepancy in the pathologists' opinions, not helped by the fact the the first pathologist disposed of some evidence after his examination. The suggestion is that because of Mr Tomlinson's alcoholism, the pushing, blow to the leg and the fall may not have been the actual cause or even an aggravating factor – beyond reasonable doubt. It's one of those occasions where one wishes that the jury hadn't perhaps been quite so scrupulous.

From the video it is clear that Mr Tomlinson was knocked down for no reason at all. How on earth could they come up with a not guilty verdict. If this had been the other way around and it was a policeman killed, I'm sure we would have seen another verdict.

For once in my life, words fail me.

Sounds just like the Catholic method of moving guilty priests sideways out of the way....the system covering up...