Jimmy Savile

Yes, and Hitler opened a few holiday camps for the underprivileged.

Re Gary Glitter..Savile said he just 'watched a few dodgy films and was vilified for being a celebrity'.

Thanks for the explanation, when , that really does say something about JS's attitude!

Phoenix JS has been interviewed previously and dismissed GG's offending as just having a few thousand abusive images of children that have done no-one any harm and he only had them for his own use. Completely forgot the children in the photos, and that these images were evidence of child abuse. Now, a woman has come forward to describe how she saw GG abusing a girl in JS's dressing room. Don't know if that interview is included in tonight's documentary. Seems the police have interviewed JS and GG several times over the years. I bet there's some very nervous showbiz people worrying about the next knock on the door.

Butter xx (hugs)

Who rationalised Gary Glitter's offending, and how? Have I missed something?

Butter

Butty xxx

Jess precisely! On its own, not a significant factor, but combined with attitudes, access to children, ability to separate them from their parents or carers, distorted thinking (look how he rationalised Gary Glitter's offending), and lifestyle, certainly raises the level of concern.

Butty thank you too xx

~ Oh, I am so sorry to hear of the disclosures on this thread. It's been a brave thing to do.

I can't explain my experiences, except to say "Yes, me too!" ~ and thank you for helping me to say that.

yes indeed when better late than never. I'd like to voice my support to all who have disclosed difficult experiences on this thread,
As for js's relatives - no widow. no kids. no big issue?

My twin daughters went on a school brass band trip to Poland at the age of 14, and one of the teachers' husbands sat on a chair outside their bedroom all night, defending their honour! A group of older drunken German youths were causing mayhem in the hotel and the Krakow police would not remove them. One girl was grabbed in the lift. They were evicted in the morning. The police were not interested. It seems that much abuse is disguised as high spirits, and the harm done when alcohol has been consumed is often dismissed.

I've also just remembered staying in a farmhouse b&b for one night with a friend [we were @17] and having to barricade the door to stop the farmer coming into our room. Did we complain or tell anyone? Of course not.

Ana Ella you are brave to disclose how you were harmed when you were young. I hope you recovered enough to tuck the memory away without it damaging you for life, as happens with so many young people. Those experiences have been recounted by many women, and the last time I looked, 1 in 6 people say they have been attacked, abused or subjected to indecent exposure. It just goes to show how the collective support amongst women helps them speak out. Those women who have come forward about Jimmy Savile will get great comfort from knowing they are believed and are not alone.

When I was 11 I was staying with a friend and sleeping in a double bed with her when we heard her father come through the front door and make his way into the room she begged me to pretend to be asleep, and I shall never forget the smell of drink on his breath or his hand outstretched to his daughter and the sound of astonishment he made when he realised. I was there. He fled the room and she lay there shaking and pale. We said nothing to each other, but even my innocent11 year old brain knew there was something wrong. I never mentioned it to anyone,he was a friend of my Mother, a well known character(and drinker) around Edinburgh , but it has haunted me and I still wish I had said something. My friend and I lost touch but met a few years ago, she never married, and is a nervous recluse. The point of this is that their are a lot of people out their who have been abused by people who were in a position of power, and therefore, however painful it is for the relations and friends of Jimmy Savile, this should not be dropped and swept under the carpet. Ana and Ella how frightening and distressing for you.

Oh heavens yes! Vile phrase.

No matter how liberated we are I wonder if there will always be an undercurrent of 'men can't help themselves and it's up to women to not 'lead them on' in some way, even when young? When my children were young I never allowed men to babysit, although some in our babysitting circle did, and a very dear friend of ours would offer to look after them. It wasn't that I didn't trust them but I didn't want to come home to have my children mention something that would set off alarm bells which would result in my making false accusations of any kind.

phoenix Too important to accuse or investigate. That was the problem with abusive priests and more than likely with Jimmy Savile, especially as the alleged abuse happened at a time when it was regarded as a rather less serious concern than it is now. Does anybody remember that hideous expression "kiddy fiddler"? Says it all. [disgust emoticon]

The "position of power" thing was what I meant a page or so back, when I referred to abuse carried out by priests.

I was indecently assaulted when I was 15 as I was walking home after seeing my boyfriend (yes, how gallant was he!). Although he had his hand over my mouth I managed to scream and he ran away - I just carried on walking home, on trembling legs, but I never told anyone because I would have been stopped from going out in the evening!
The Jimmy Savile allegations are a different kettle of fish, though. He was in a position of power and young girls looked up to him - I bet not one of those girls had sex on her mind when she went into his dressing room with him. Times have certainly changed.

crimson and JO4, this is a difficult thread, but times were different then.
I was indecently assaulted when I'd just left home and was living alone in a bedsit.
I was also date raped by a young man I adored, and I didn't tell anyone about either incident.

It was very difficult.
My heart is now pounding.

I take your point, but Monica Lewinsky was old enough to look out for herself, (or should have been) either way she was an adult in the eyes of the law.

I think in the Jimmy Savile case, it was a very different matter, but I suppose time will tell.

Not sure at this stage if I will watch the programme tonight or not.

I'm thinking Monica Lewinsky here. I do feel that Bill Clinton was a truly great president but look how he survived her accusations and she almost became [well, probably did] a figure of fun.

I was immature and so naive as a teenager. I observed other girls chasing after pop stars and managing to get in cars and hotel rooms, and just assumed it was all very exciting. It was years before I realised that 'groupies' should have been protected from themselves and potential abusers, and that 'bouncers' letting girls through security cordons were complicit in helping abuse to take place.