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Oh no. Not another little Madeleine.

(86 Posts)
JO4 Tue 02-Oct-12 11:18:33

here

gillybob Fri 05-Oct-12 12:20:10

Feel so very sad for this poor little lamb and her family. It certainly puts your own trivial problems into prospective.

soop Fri 05-Oct-12 12:16:32

Little April Jones...such a sad end to her short life. Her parents must be going through the worst torment imaginable.

wallers5 Fri 05-Oct-12 12:12:09

It is too sad and it looks as though they are looking for the body now. How can man be so cruel to a child. Why don't they help the police & tell them what they have done.

whitewave Fri 05-Oct-12 10:49:50

Oh dear - I am absolutely hopeless at expressing how I feel in these situations - it goes so deep and hurts so much for the innocent.

Barrow Fri 05-Oct-12 10:44:36

Police have just announced they are now looking for a body. This is so sad, I can't begin to imagine what her poor parents are going through

Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 21:51:21

Yes, I do think we all want to express our deep concern for April and her family.

annodomini Thu 04-Oct-12 21:47:08

Well said, feldmarschallin. Thank you.

jeni Thu 04-Oct-12 21:01:13

And our prayers.

feldmarschallin Thu 04-Oct-12 20:30:07

Very great pity that this thread (and the Jimmy Savile one) has been left on this rather unedifying note. Strong personalities and very strong, very raw emotions seem to have (understandably) been the cause. We are made angry and upset in the face of the news this week and for many of us the news has re-awakened things we thought we had put to rest (and had evidently failed to).

Let's get back to doing what Gransnetters do best - giving loving support to Grans everywhere.

A little girl is still missing and those who care about her are frightened. Let's hold them in our thoughts tonight. X

JO4 Thu 04-Oct-12 19:25:53

Oh sod! I can't remember what those posts said! hmm

Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 16:52:37

That is good to know, When
Jingle, I have not asked for your post to be deleted, for the same reason.

whenim64 Thu 04-Oct-12 16:37:51

Yes, Greatnan they have the same system as amber alert now, and use the statistics about 2/3 hours being crucial for getting alerts out, as abducted children have a higher likelihood of being tracked in that short space of time.

JO4 Thu 04-Oct-12 16:31:18

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JO4 Thu 04-Oct-12 16:28:41

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JO4 Thu 04-Oct-12 16:27:22

And Machynlleth is in South Snowdonia.

Fact!

And I did say Snowdonia. Not ASnowdon.

I know that area quite well actually as son was at uni in Bangor.

JO4 Thu 04-Oct-12 16:24:57

I HAVE NOT TRIVIALISED THIS THREAD! DON'T BLOODY START THAT AGAIN!

HOW DARE YOU!!!

IWOULD NEVER DREAM OF TRIVIALISING THIS MATTER.

I am getting sick of your insults.

Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 16:24:12

When, I believe in the USA they put out an Amber Alert as soon as a child is reported missing, as the first hour is crucial. Do the UK police have anything similar in place?

Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 16:21:06

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Mamie Thu 04-Oct-12 16:20:58

I really don't think you can make sweeping statements about people like that jingle. It is a lovely town with very nice people. I have family who live close by. It isn't exactly what I would call Snowdonia either.

crimson Thu 04-Oct-12 15:19:49

If she went for a ride in the suspects car a few days prior to her abduction that might that not rule out any[dna] evidence they can get from the car now? And, could it have been planned that way?

dorsetpennt Thu 04-Oct-12 14:39:23

Maybe she was with other children as Nanadogsbody has said, but 7.30pm on a dark evening, a school night too! Most children of her age are usually bathed and getting prepared for bedtime. She is only 5 years old, she shouldn't be in the care of other children. My children are in their 30's now but were not allowed to play outside in the front of the house at any time. All those years ago we weren't allowing our children out like we went out. There aren't any more paedophiles now then there were in our childhood, just that they are more mobile these days. It's horrible to think that we all know how this is going to end.

JO4 Thu 04-Oct-12 11:26:46

Hmm. That is an area - around Snowdonia way - that does seem to attract social misfits.

whenim64 Thu 04-Oct-12 11:24:41

Yes, they're missing the point Greatnan. The risk factors were compiled in many different countries over two decades, then a meta-analysis of the re-occurring issues was used in North America, UK and Australia to develop testing and profiling by computer on the VISOR (Violent and Sexual Offending Register) police system. These risk factors like 'never been in a relationship for more than two years' or 'lost job because of disciplinary matters' have proved to be relevant in a significant number of cases (although Peter Sutcliffe would have got through the test relatively unscathed!) A clinical override has to be used throughout, to be sure the tail isn't wagging the dog and things are overlooked. This system was developed after Soham, and it's extremely sophisticated now. For example, the police will have fed in the given details about the time of day Alice was seen getting in a van, information about the vehicle, and anything else that can be profiled, and the suspect and several others, and their known vehicles, would have been thrown up for investigation in seconds. Each time more info comes in, like the possible places to look suggested by the public, they are fed into VISOR and more suspects will be identified. Of course, you only get out what is already in the data. Some offenders are not yet known to the authorities.

For some papers to condense all this into damning a sector of society because they are deprived, unemployed or not in a relationship is potty!

Greatnan Thu 04-Oct-12 11:07:53

I don't think this is something that happens very often, fortunately. I am sure we can all remember most cases over the last ten years. We just hear more about it now. Sarah Payne was taken by a stranger, but in most cases the child was abducted/killed by either a member of the extended family or a family 'friend'.

Lilygran Thu 04-Oct-12 11:03:59

The Telegraph states that two of the children April was playing with earlier were the suspect's and that several children including April had a ride in his Landrover a few days ago. It's a very small place.