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Milliband's speech

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POGS Fri 05-Oct-12 20:02:33

allule

Wasn't it because he had already put his name forward before Ed?.If that's the case he has no need to be criticised. Not that either of them do really, both adaults with the same opportunity.

allule Fri 05-Oct-12 19:32:58

Why does no one criticise David Milliband for standing against his brother? Is political leadership to be based on the outdated idea of primogeniture rather than ability?

JessM Tue 02-Oct-12 21:38:32

Well it is absolutely true that both sides of the family were Jewish immigrants - and full marks for owning that fact and standing up for the benefits of immigration as well (unlike a few others we could think of Portillo, Maxwell etc)
His father was a well known marxist academic - so I guess that makes you intellectually elite and privileged - but at least that kind of thing is on intellectual merit and not which school you went to.

I don't think he was meaning to say that one nation was new - rather it was to highlight the implausibility of such a phrase being used by the current bunch.
I was impressed that he was able to speak so fluently for an hour without notes.

POGS Tue 02-Oct-12 19:17:11

I watched the speech and at first I thought pass me the sick bucket. I am sick of the hypocrisy of trying to say he was an ordinary boy who went to a comprehensive. How does that work with the ethos of going to a comprehensive holds you back, when he taught economics at Harvard. His family were big players in the socialist life of the Labour Elite. I think this portrayal might backfire on him.

I thought half of the speech was disingenuous and full of hypocrisy. Things like using the term baccalaureat. Gove was laughed at by Labour MP.'s in Parliament and by many on the left, now they too are using the word. Labour accused Cameron of using the Olympics as a political tool, today they surpassed anything the Tories had done and said. He shamelessly uses a Tory P.M.'s words and passes them on as a new Labour slogan, 'One Nation'. Cameron and Dizzy would say imitation is the best compliment. The list went on and on. Anyone watching would have thought unemployment was nil,education was the best in the world, petrol never went up etc., etc, under 13 years of Labour.

Then he caught my attention later in the speech. I think it is quite brave to take on the unions and address the need for pay restraint and the problems concerning pensions. I liked the way he tried to say Labour should think beyond the working class and think about the middle income earners. All in all I thought he showed a bit of bottle and did a good speech, I just wonder how well it went down with those who want the Blairites out of the party. Could this bring them together or could it just divide those hard line left wingers. He kept a cool head and gave a very sound speech. I am still however of the opinion there needs to be 'meat put on the bone' not just a personality contest but he did do well.

8/10

JessM Tue 02-Oct-12 17:59:29

grin - I think that is funny gillieb . It was a fair fight.

GillieB Tue 02-Oct-12 17:52:59

Ed Milliband makes me cringe everytime I see and hear him - sorry if you like him, but I think he is quite obnoxious. Someone who will backstab their own brother will do anything, in my opinion.

proudnana Tue 02-Oct-12 16:41:57

"One Nation", "One Nation", "One Nation"........

whitewave Tue 02-Oct-12 15:33:21

I shall watch it on play back - I forgot the time!!

JessM Tue 02-Oct-12 15:30:16

Good speech I thought. He has been lying low - and now he has found his feet. Did not duck on a few thorny issues like "we will have to work longer". Looks like a potential prime minister at last.

JessM Tue 02-Oct-12 14:29:29

no autocue. very personal speech.

JessM Tue 02-Oct-12 14:27:13

Watching with interest. It's on now.