Death sentence for British woman

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Ceesnan To suggest that someone deserves to stand in front of a firing squad as a punishment for smuggling drugs or, in my opinion, for any crime seems pretty smugly moralistic to me.

Did I give the impression that I thought absent was accusing other posters? If I did I certainly didn't mean to.

I think a counsel of perfection is the saying "never judge someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes". I can't say I manage to achieve this on all occasions but it is a better starting point, I think, than making snap judgements based on incomplete information published in the press.

Ceesnan Since you ask, I got the impression that you disapproved of absent's observation that some young people could be self-righteous.
Actually I agree with her.

I'm trying to figure out what Ceesnan said that upset the last few people.

Never mind young people being judgemental there's enough of it going on on this thread.

I have been amazed at the number of posts saying this woman deserves to be executed, she knew what to expect etc.

I agree with absent

I don't agree with the death penalty

Orca I think it was ceesnan's post of 11.04.
Jess's response at 11.57 seemed to me to have been spot-on.

That's not how I read it. I don't agree with capital punishment. But I think the argument had strayed into something else. Absent had asked wasn't 'it interesting how self-righteous young people can be?' Ceesnan had queried the fairness of that. Then as I saw it others jumped in to say that young people only see things in black and white, and how much older and wiser they all were now they were older themselves and that Ceesnan had no right to 'disapprove' of Absent's initial statement. I thought Petallus was going level the playing field by saying that people were being too judgemental but them her last sentence left me wondering.
I worked with university student for many years. I did not find them self-righteous, on the contrary it's a trait I more often associate with older people who are set in their ways and intolerant of views that don't match their own.

I think absent starting point was that she was expecting younger people to be more tolerant than older ones and was saying that she was surprised some were not. Not a very contraversial position and I think several of us agree with her. And are bemused by ceesnan 's comment.
Yes quite petallus - would those who think she should be executed think that the same punishment should be part of UK justice system - death penalty for drug smuggling. And would they say that she should be executed if, instead of a middle aged woman, we were talking about a doe eyed young person who had been to a local school?

I would just like to point out that absent didn't actually say some young people, she said young people which I took to be a rather sweeping generalisation. Ho hum!

Dorsetpenn said her younger ( not young) colleagues all approved of this woman getting the death penalty. I thought absent's 'self righteous' comment referred to that. I was agreeing with her about.

The 'walk a mile in another's shoes before judging them' post is a very good guideline IMHO.

Oh for goodness sake. I said "Isn't it interesting how self-righteous young people can be?" in direct response to dorsetpennt's report of her younger colleagues' comments. I think the way that question is worded suggests that sometimes some young people are self-righteous.

My response was not because I "label anyone who disapproves of another person's behaviour as self-righteous" but because to say that someone deserves to be shot is an outrageously disproportionate judgement.

For the record, I disapprove of drug smuggling too.

Is that enough now or do we need to carry on analysing every last word that I post?

Absent said ' .... young people can be' - I took that to mean at times they can be self-righteous.

And I agree with that - I remember when DS1 was a teen and came out with a few remarks that surprised, and disappointed, me - wondered where I'd gone wrong!

I knew i agreed with you Absent

No need to get your grundies in a twist though

Yes I saw that you agreed with me petallus. Is that a first? . What on earth are grundies and how do you twist them?

No I agreed with you once before. I hope it's not too unsettling

Grundies is another name for knickers.

Nothing to do with the Archers!

The grundies remark was in response to the exasperation in the last sentence of your previous post.

petallus Never heard of grundies before. Well, who lives may learn. I realised why you made the remark – but life gets teejus don' it?

Grungier could be troll lies in another part of the world. So we are all agreed in principle that mature women should not smuggle drugs into countries where there is the death penalty,that we don't approve of the death penalty but that some of us could hand the brimming beaker to a Beria or Amin (or similar) and that we are all nice people and try each others moccasins all the time. This thread is stressful for people in Geneva who have the UN looming over them.

What? Sorry Stansgran, I didn't follow your post at all. Obviously have a senior sort of day.

If what is written about this lady in the papers is true, then she deserves to be punished. I don't agree with the death penalty (except in very heinous circumstances - rape & murder of children), but unfortunately that is the punishment in some countries and if you commit a particular crime there, then you stand the risk of being sentenced to death.

The solution is easy - don't commit the crime!

I can't feel sorry for her. This situation is a little like the older women you read about who get involved with some young man (mainly African or Arabic men) and then beat their breasts when they lose their money and their homes. The difference being, of course, that they aren't sentenced to death! Although it must be pretty awful for them to lose everything. But once again, I can't feel sorry for them. No fool like an old fool!

Heard on news that she wants the government to pay the £2,000 for her .

Seems a bit much that the family cannot do it . Still suppose do not know their circumstances !!

plenty of it today

I wonder how much our opinion is affected by the appearance of the individual concerned? I'm only saying this because [and I'm being brutally honest with myself here] I only saw a photo of the woman a couple of days ago and found it very difficult to feel any sympathy or empathy. Although I will never, ever believe in death penalties under any circumstances.

She knew what she was doing full well . Took a chance anyway . Probably thought some you win, some you lose . Death penalty , bit severe .
The rules of the country though .