Thatcher has died

Greatnan that is not the point. The point we are making is that it is illogical to blame her for all today's ills.

I agree that we can say what we like about our own mothers but I agree with those who think that it is bad taste for us to say what vampire said.

Whether they read this site is not important , people can still grieve even if as some say the relationship was flawed .

Maybe people can grieve for what can never ever be put right . The opportunity has gone now .

I think it was in poor taste .

It is virtually impossible to reopen pits which have been closed, for practical, not political, reasons.

Whether or not the Labour Government could have reversed her decisions, which is debatable, how does that make what she did right?
As it is highly unlikely that Carole or Mark Thatcher read this site, I don't think it matters what anybody says about their mother.

Lily I take on board what you are saying but don't think we can blame MT for us buying clothes from Bangladesh.

Do we have enough gas hidden away somewhere which we could access to save us buying from Russia? I don't know the answer to that.

The rubbish collection is down to your local authority, not central government.

MT was responsible for the closing of pits but if they were so profitable why hasn't a subsequent government reopened them?

Wasn't the steel industry privately owned at the time of MT?

What I am trying to get at is that we have had 23 years to put right anything we feel she did wrong.

deserving,*notso*. I agree with your fundamental point, that all governments in some sense are Thatcherite now but if you look at what her governments did - closing down what Kenneth Clark called 'rust bucket' industries, for example, it's irrecoverable. Where the pits were there are now 'industrial estates' (warehouses for supermarkets, food processing factories etc) and even housing developments or giant shopping malls. The steel industry is largely owned by Tata. 'Manufacturing' is largely assembling parts produced elsewhere. We buy cheap clothes made by seven-year-olds in Bangla-desh. Then there was selling off utilities. Who owns those now? Our rubbish is collected by a French firm, our gas comes from Russia. I could go on. And on and on. Closing down heavy industry to win the war with the unions turns out to have been a very hollow victory.

I think you were offensive vampire Do as you would be done by or there but for the grace of God

Her daughter makes no secret of her poor relationship with her mother and her son used his mother's name to make money in any way he could.

I don't think I was offensive....simply stating facts.

Vampire I think your post about the thatcher family is offensive. They have just lost their mother, how would you feel?

I agree with you deserving I am also irritated by so much blame for today's ills being placed at her door. 23 years is surely time to right the wrongs if there was the political will.

I was wondering about that deserving. Why weren't the decisions taken by Margaret Thatcher between 1979 & 1990 reversed by Tony Blair & Gordon Brown between 1997 & 2010?

Can't be bothered to read what has been said previously, have not the time or the interest. Whatever is said about Mrs T, and what she did and didn't do, the following reprobates had sufficient time, assuming the inclination, to cancel them out, why didn't they?

It has just been announced that the Queen and Philip will be attending Mrs Thatchers funeral .

Wondering if I forgot to change from 'watching' the Philpott thread.

Not mourned by me - first woman PM, Iron Lady or whatever - not mourned by me.

Tegan She was still getting her readjustment money up till yesterday. So does John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

At least Nonu got it right. The Guardian, true to form, forgot to change the date that it had used on its dummy so its commemorative page read 1925–2010. Thai television showed Meryl Streep in her role in The Iron Lady when it announced the news of Baroness Thatcher's death and a couple of other Asian TV stations showed pictures of the Queen.

Didn't she get a huge payout when she stopped being Prime Minister; something that was introduced round about that time...John Major got it as well?

1925-2013

R. I. P.

Iron lady .

Mt thoughts and peayers are with her family

I doubt her daughter is grieving that much and her son will already be checking his inheritance.

Not that I am mourning for her ladyship, but the dancing and celebrating that seem to have been going on in some quarters sticks in my craw. It isn't just distasteful but nasty because it shows a complete disregard for her family who will be grieving over the death of a mother and grandmother.

That's absolutely top hole *Greatnan'!

Thanks Jingle. Great causes!

Thank you, jingle, but I have already made my own choices of charities to support this year.

Oh look. You can do something to help remedy all these evils! money where mouth is

I did find this quite funny. Freudian slip somewhere at the BBC

'Margaret Thatcher has died from a STRIKE': BBC forced to correct breaking news error moments after death announced

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305848/Margaret-Thatcher-died-STRIKE-BBC-forced-correct-breaking-news-error-moments-death-announced.html#ixzz2PxLiY0Ah

I had to switch the Radio off this a/m. (Radio 4 post 9am) when I heard her speaking! I am sure my blood pressure rises whenever I hear her voice.