Thatcher has died

I'd like to know where all the money went from North Sea gas and privatisation [where people were allowed to 'buy' what was theres already]. And [I know I rant on about this] I still haven't forgiven her for being involved in cigarette sales to third world countries.

Ooh!I'd forgotten 'We have become a grandmother'!!

I am not "worried", greatnan and I am not denying the honesty of your opinion, just saying I am unable to rejoice at the death of any human being in the way I have heard expressed in some quarters.

Yes - lots of fawning from the "great and the good" on BBC website - but the vox pop went the other way.

Don't worry - there will be bucketsful of fawning adulation all over the media for some time to come. We are simply expressing our honest opinion - dying does not make a person's misdeeds disappear.

My last post was in reply to gracesmum's previous post, I hasten to add.

I agree, gracesmum.

Bluebell I am assuming yur comment to Ana is intended to be ironic, if not, I find it in very poor taste.

I am perhaps not entirely surprised but saddened by the vitriol and gloating sentiments expressed here and elsewhere at Margaret Thatcher's death. I will not rejoice at the death of any person (no, not even Saddam Hussein) or join in the cat-calling. Whatever your opinion on her politics I think she DID set an example to all women - along with Barbara Castle and Shirley Williams,by showing that intelligence and determination can face down the chauvinism, snobbery and general prejudice of the Tory grandees of the time .

Ooh, bluebell - you really are on form tonight! Did I say Margaret Thatcher introduced FIS?

After my husband and I split up, I continued working to support my children, but on a single wage was entitled to state help, yes. I have never said that parents who choose to work should not receive benefits.

And btw Heath introduced FIS not the blessed Margaret and what where you doing Ana having children you couldn't afford to support without state support?

Laidback - you are more than welcome here

Bookdreamer - your question certainly made me think hard. I suppose many people would say Churchill was a great PM, but he was a poor strategist and made many mistakes. He was reckless with his own life as a young soldier and later he was reckless with the lives of others. He described the Dardanelles campaign, where half a million men died, as a 'sporting venture'. He seemed to regard war like some kind of public school game. My father called him 'a baby starver' because the allowance for a child was one shilling a week during the depression of the 1930s. Attlee was a good , well meaning man, but probably not tough enough. John Smith may have made a good PM, had he lived.
Perhaps the kind of person who wants to climb to the top of the greasy pole is never going to be very likeable.

I hope you don't mind Ana. My mum and gran are no longer here and I just miss the company,wisdom and the laughs.

Goodness - I'd forgotten about Pinochet - just shows the amount of evil she is connected with that I forgot that! I well remember the Belgrano - dd was a year old and when I heard the news I just sobbed in the kitchen as I thought of all the mothers whose sons would never be going home. But hey !! Lets hear it for FIS - another bloody state handout that subsidised low wages!!

greatnan. I'm asking out of genuine interest and with no undertone but I wonder who you think was a good Prime Minister? And why?

The Belgrano was sailing away. It was like shooting a man in the back. I just don't believe that the point of the Falklands war was to protect the islanders, but it made a good diversion from what was happening at home. The British troops called the Falkland Islanders Bubs - bloody ungrateful bastards.

Every bodies young compared with some of us. I feel more ancient every day.

laiback, you must be very young!
(Compared to the rest of us, I mean....)

Sorry ladies I invited Frank in on that one. I have been lurking. I am a she by the way.

The Argentinian government was responsible for the deaths of armed forces personnel in the Falklands. British territory was attacked and occupied which threatened the lives of the British people who live there. They are as entitled to as much support and protection from our armed forces as the rest of us.

Predictable wasn't he?

Hunter - you really are a child of Thatcher, aren't you?

She was a poor excuse for a woman and her politics stank!

I was still in school in the 80's Frank trying to achieve an education.

Deedaa , I am trying to follow your logic. Are you saying that because another loathsome PM took us into an illegal war, it was O.K. for Thatcher to order the deaths of 17-year old recruits on the Belgrano? How did something that happened later justify what she did?
So far, we have had one suggestion of something good that happened on her watch, Income Support, and many suggestions of heartless actions that destroyed industries and communities.

You're being smug again, Frank and if you read laidback's post it was his/her mother he/she was talking about. Sorry, laidback - don't know you well enough - are you he or she?

Thanks vampirequeen for putting all that on record. If they quote that prayer of St Francis at her funeral I shall spit. I growl every time I hear that recording of her sanctimonious delivery of those words.