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They mean the same, nonu. One is more emphatic than the other, that's all. Expresses a little more irritation, you might say. But they mean the same. Listen to the meaning, not the words, as an Ecuadorean friend of mine used to say.

sel, Wot yer on about still works fine in my circle, especially with a twinkle in one's eye.

What pray does FO mean ?

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Bluebell , so you did not mean "what the flip" . you meant the other ?

Bags I've just remembered what your post reminded me of - Donald Rumsfeld explaining about knowing about things.

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Bags wot yer on about has been said to me many times, many, many times (where did that come from - a radio programme?)

Since living int South, I have learnt a 'kindly explain yourself or 'could you elucidate' works better. I try and hold back and be grown up most of the time.

Oh, and I didn't answer your original question but that's another failing of mine

You didn't mean wtf, did you? That's three words: what. the. flip.

As jingle explained

sel, eh??

Or as they used to say in Lancashire (probably still do but I don't live there any more): "Yer wot, luv? Wot yer on about?"

JO8 , LOL.

Bags you know sometimes you read something, then read it again and then feel more confused (actually you probably don't but I do) I felt like that after your dissection of the word. HR was an easy one

Quite right, jingle - it is in the mind of the beholder!

And greatnan.

Thanks, sel.

Thanks, jings. I knew it wasn't offensive.

Gordon Bennett! This moves on quick! #bees. #bonnets

No. It means what the flip. As I have had cause to explain on occasions before now.

I've been wondering wt flip HR means.

Bags Human Recourses. People that is

Mice I have just looked back at the discussion yesterday afternoon and I would say it was a good discussion on the relevance of Unions to the workforce of today in terms of safety and conditions at work. I have noticed Bluebell said to me Sel you don't know what you're talking about which I could argue could possibly imply I'm lying, stupid, whatever.

Am I to be offended at that, absolutely not, she may indeed be right. It was a discussion between two opposing ideas of thought.

Human Resources, which we used to call Personnel Dept. Just another way of dehumanising workers.

Knowing things and understanding things are different. You can be "intelligent enough" to understand something without knowing it, and if you don't know it when it would be useful, that could be a problem. It's okay not to know things. It's also okay not to understand things, even when you are intelligent.

So yes, mal, your comments do come over as a bit sneery, though I'm sure you didn't mean to be.

What does HR mean? I've got H&S, but not HR. I understand wtf too; it means the same as what on earth, but with more emphasis. Nothing offensive about that.

Clearly by the arguing still going on her THAT WOMAN is still able to cause dissention from the grave or pugatory or limbo or whever she is right now.

We are all being haunted by her.

Movedalot said on three separate occasions

'anyone would be intelligent enough"
'incredible that she wouldn't...'
And again
'intelligent enough.

No, the word 'unintelligent' wasn't used, but please explain how that word differs in meaning from the three examples above.

Greatnan I commented as I was part of the discussion referred to. I remarked that employers needed to comply with H & S and employment legislation and as they did, the need and role of the unions had become less important. Bluebell then went on to tell us about the situation her daughter had faced. Then she said she worked in HR. Movedalot then commented that she was surprised that, in that case, Bluebell's daughter wouldn't have been au fait with the legislation. I thought the same thing. I know we tend to be thin skinned at any perceived attack on our offspring but I don't think there was any attack and I certainly don't remember the word 'unintelligent' being used.

Oh dear, yet another person disbelieving what someone has put on this thread. How do you know if someone was offended or not? How do you know if someone is unfamiliar with acronyms? And why do you assume that what occurs to you is the only interpretation possible. A little empathy wouldn't come amiss.

Sel, I do wish you would stop telling us all how to behave - you are not our employer or our headmistress, you know.
I would be bloody furious if anybody hinted that my daughter was unintelligent and I think most other members would too.