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Thatcher has died

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ticktock Mon 08-Apr-13 12:56:38

"Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke" - just saw on the BBC.

Sel Fri 12-Apr-13 13:38:07

Really rather nasty the way everyone is dancing round brandishing their self righteous sticks over a comment Movedalot made. I think it says more about the mentality of the nit pickers than it does the 'crime' For goodness sake Bluebell has been very robust in many of her posts and I doubt was seriously offended. I can't believe we've reached the age we have, which I presume is 50s and beyond and behave like this. Using WTF is well known shorthand, I'm surprised anyone would need to Google it. The thought that Movedalot articulated had occurred to me too in a 'well, if anyone should know' type of way. Grow up people.

Tegan Fri 12-Apr-13 13:27:43

Bit two faced given the way her party treated her at the end; they seem to have forgotten that bit wink.

glassortwo Fri 12-Apr-13 13:11:54

Bloody typical!!!!!

absent Fri 12-Apr-13 13:04:07

Tegan The Easter break for MPs is ending and they are due back in Parliament on Monday. However, David Cameron wanted to make a grand gesture so they were recalled to do the seven-hour tribute this week. If it had been left until Monday, it would have been at no extra cost; as it is, they can claim nearly £4,000 for having to return early. The Lords can all claim their £300 per day allowance if they turned up.

Nonu Fri 12-Apr-13 12:48:25

Wtf is a horrible thing to say to another poster .

Not at all necessary .

Tegan Fri 12-Apr-13 12:21:42

They've recalled Parliament ? confused. Is that to make sure that all the right MP's attend the funeral [and get paid for it??] Would it have been embarrassing if no one turned up from her party?

vampirequeen Fri 12-Apr-13 11:45:12

Consistency is my middle name lol

harrigran Fri 12-Apr-13 11:26:20

Thanks for that bit of info Galen I did not realise batteries were in short supply or that candles were difficult to obtain. I believe we got off lightly during the three day weeks and power cuts as we were on the same electricity sub-station as the local hospital. I was very grateful as I had a baby and a toddler and ducted air heating which required electric fans to distribute heat.

Mishap Fri 12-Apr-13 11:07:07

I would not go as far as to dance on her grave, but I can understand the depth of feeling that exists in communities that were destroyed by her hatchet jobs. We cannot know what this meant to them unless we were a part of it.

I do not feel happy about the expense and inappropriate pomp of her funeral and will make a point of ensuring that I do not watch the news and catch a glimpse of it. It is quite wrong, and is happening because of the coinservative government in power - I understand that proposals for her funeral had been in place for a long time and that Cameron has ratcheted these up - including the inappropriate recall of parliament.

Good on the queen for trying to curb his ardour!

MiceElf Fri 12-Apr-13 10:59:50

Movedalot, I am not assuming you are intelligent. I have no view on that. But if you initially believed what you say you believed, surely you should now be gracious enough to apologise for your false assumption? After all it has been expanded on and explained to you at length.

And as for swearing, I had to google those three letters as they were new to me. I'm surprised you knew what they meant!

POGS Fri 12-Apr-13 10:54:57

VQ

I will give you 10/10 for consistency you have said before on another a while ago you will dance on her grave.

Each to his own your right to say it.

Greatnan Fri 12-Apr-13 10:45:43

My grandson is well aware of the rules regarding self employment (he is not unintelligent either) but he is also aware that if he rocks the boat for his employer he won't have a job at all.
How nice it must be to live in a cosy little world with no financial worries and secure employment.

vampirequeen Fri 12-Apr-13 10:45:19

It's ridiculous. Shutting down major London roads. Lists of 'guests'...I thought someone who went to a funeral was a mourner. Security going to cost an arm and a leg.

Send the body up north. We'll bury her for free. We have plenty of experienced coal miners who would happily dig her grave. We'll even set up a 'peoples' park over the site so we can regularly go and dance on it. Would be one of the most popular visitor sites in the north of England.

Movedalot Fri 12-Apr-13 10:44:35

This is the last time I will say it. I genuinely did think that someone working in HR would know that and would be intelligent enough to deal with it. I have informally helped people in the same circumstances who did not work in HR and it was a very simple matter. If I say that I thought someone was intelligent I do not see that there is anything wrong with it.

I do not swear and am offended by people swearing at me. I am not offended by anyone assuming I am intelligent.

If anyone cannot accept this then imo it is their problem not mine. I refuse to be drawn further on this subject.

Galen Fri 12-Apr-13 10:32:48

[Harri] yes! But batteries were in short supply as well. We were lucky as there was a church supplies place opposite and we managed to scrounge tapers and candles from them. I was actually using florists tapers at the time.
Candles were like gold dust and you saved your pencil torches for emergency. They wouldn't have lasted the 2 1/2 hours of an evening surgery.

Mishap Fri 12-Apr-13 10:26:03

I'm glad Buck palace are complaining about the regal nature of MT's funeral. As I said before, will Tony B, John Major et al get a "state" funeral? - I doubt it; and quite right too.

Eloethan Fri 12-Apr-13 10:23:03

movedalot You mean WTF? If you find that offensive, then that is how you feel. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if someone responded to me in such a way if I had just implied that their daughter wasn't very bright.

As to the issue that bluebell was talking about - her daughter being worried about possible redundancy - it's one thing having a basic knowledge about the law and your rights, etc., but it's quite another asserting those rights without the benefit of legal representation. Without such representation (which can be very expensive), it would be just you against possibly a large organisation - which would most certainly have access to a solicitor specialising in employment law.

If you are interested in researching the matter further, I'm sure there must be other articles relating to pregnancy and redundancy on the internet. As the article I posted is only two years old, I doubt that the sorts of examples and figures quoted have changed much. In fact, with the introduction of Employment Tribunal charges for applicants, it is even less likely that women will pursue claims relating to redundancy during pregnancy.

glassortwo Fri 12-Apr-13 10:16:27

Its on page 3 Wed 10-Apr-13 09:31:14 the laptop has taken a bad turn or maybe its the user, still agree with ruths post!

glassortwo Fri 12-Apr-13 10:13:34

Oh its going to be one of those days isnt it grin where have I just read a post from Ruth think I will just go back to bed, after I have found the post.

glassortwo Fri 12-Apr-13 10:11:17

Ruth well said.

harrigran Fri 12-Apr-13 10:09:26

Galen examining a rash by taper doesn't every Doctor carry a torch for checking pupil reaction ?

MiceElf Fri 12-Apr-13 10:04:56

The information in The Guardian article is correct, nothing has changed.

Movedalot I feel that your comments are unacceptable as they come very close to saying that that the information given by another member of this forum is untrue. If someone shares something experienced by a family member, I think it is arrogant to imply that they are either not truthful or ignorant.

Movedalot Fri 12-Apr-13 09:49:38

Greatna perhaps you can check on current legislation as I think that if you are more or less permanently working for the same employer you are not allowed to be self-employed. If that is not the case I am sure you are in an ideal position to advise him on the tax advantages of forming hiw own company.

Movedalot Fri 12-Apr-13 09:47:56

Eloethan but that is what I thought! I find it really hard to believe that anyone working in HR would not know their rights. I don't know how many times I need to repeat that. Imo it is incredible that she wouldn't.

Do you have an opinion on what bluebell said to me? Do you think that is acceptable?

I found the article quite interesting but as it is 2 years old it would be good to see something relevant to today. Can you find anything?

POGS Fri 12-Apr-13 00:09:41

Eloethan

Thank you very much.

I think we have had a respectable discussion and I am understanding your points. Maybe when 'the heat' is taken out of our posts we see another posters perspectives, not that we have to agree but certainly understand and respect a little more of a posters mind set. Well I hope I am right in that view, confused

Sorry I was late in replying, had a fun night out.