Gransnet forums

News & politics

Would you care?

(22 Posts)
JessM Sun 28-Apr-13 11:35:14

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't anno ?
There is hardly an equivalence between the N Ireland situation and Abu Q. It's a bit like the presumption of innocence of people accused in court. Sometimes the bad guys get an advantage from this system - but if you presumed guilt, then innocent people would suffer.

cathy Sat 27-Apr-13 18:59:58

here here and spot on anno

annodomini Sat 27-Apr-13 11:54:31

Nick Clegg doesn't have principles nor do most politicians (with a few honourable exceptions) . All they care about is their own advancement and courting the electorate to achieve it.

soop Sat 27-Apr-13 11:35:41

laidback grin ...I understand that volunteers are being sought for a one-way trip to Mars. AQ could be the guinea pig; sent ahead to suss things out.

cathy Sat 27-Apr-13 08:54:04

BAnanas Re What you said about him not knowing how much the pention was-- this is exactly why I don't vote, Politician have no idea what the real world is like and yet they get given the job of running it!!

laidback Sat 27-Apr-13 05:47:38

Can't they just export him to Mars, might work out cheaper than the present. Thinking?!confused

POGS Fri 26-Apr-13 23:54:41

Alan Johnson, one time Labour Home Secretary, said on 'This Week' that Labour had done exactly that, came out of the court on a temporary exit.!!

He said that the government would be mad to do it. He then went on to say that Labour had done it during the Northern Ireland troubles to enable the government to get internment through, without trial. He said they used it because it was a national issue.

It is a fact that ARTICLE 15 of the Convention DOES ALLOW a country to do this. Where there is a strict neccessity. He went on to say "To try and do it and then breach the UN Convention on Torture, which is very important would be illegal, so it would be a non starter"

soop Fri 26-Apr-13 15:33:53

Since Abu Qatada hates us with a vengeance, why on earth does he not buy he his own ticket out of this country. Ryan Air would no doubt give him a decent seat...or even a plane all to himself.

petra Fri 26-Apr-13 15:11:35

Well said,BAnanas. I would agree with anything that got this ( I can't put here what I call him) out of my country.

BAnanas Thu 25-Apr-13 20:11:12

The answer for me is also simple, I believe in acting in the interests of the greater good. An individual who aligns themselves to a terrorist organisation whose raison d'etre is to use the excuse of a holy war to commit acts of random terrorism to kill and maim innocent people indiscriminately, does not deserve the protection of their host country.

absent Thu 25-Apr-13 20:03:40

Nick Clegg is not my moral compass.

Bags Thu 25-Apr-13 20:01:39

Can't say I've noticed Cleggie sticking with his principles yet though, absent. Perhaps he means to this time.

absent Thu 25-Apr-13 19:50:33

The question is actually very simple. Do you believe it is right to torture people? My view is that it is never right. Therefore, I cannot condone any kind of trial where "evidence" is the result of torture.

Greatnan Thu 25-Apr-13 19:32:39

Quite a temptation to Cameron, although Clegg has not proved to be much of a thorn in his side.

Bags Thu 25-Apr-13 19:24:05

Cleggie, that is.

Bags Thu 25-Apr-13 19:23:48

Sounds like a good "get out of jail free" card for him.

BAnanas Thu 25-Apr-13 19:15:36

Italy has deported terror suspects despite rulings from the Court of Human Rights and I believe they aren't the only ones. It's these inconsistencies and the fact that we can't act in our own country's best interests that drive a lot of us nuts.

BAnanas Thu 25-Apr-13 19:10:33

Would he be missed? Clegg that is, still can't believe, when he was asked a few years ago what he thought the weekly pension was he said "about £30 a week!" such a Richard Head!!!

Ana Thu 25-Apr-13 19:01:21

Clegg can't lose - out of this government and straight into a cushy job at EU HQ! grin

j08 Thu 25-Apr-13 19:00:09

I mean the court of Human Rights. Not the government.

j08 Thu 25-Apr-13 18:59:19

Can you pop in and out of it like that? confused

Ceesnan Thu 25-Apr-13 18:28:51

Apparently Nick Clegg has said that he will leave the government if a suggestion of temporarily opting out of jurisdiction of Court of Human Rights is carried out in order to get Abu Qatada on a plane to Jordan. Just wondered if anyone would agree with him.