j08 The public health messages put out by the BHF and the Government have consistently promoted a low-fat diet and ignored the effects of sugar, when there is increasing evidence that they are wrong about fats and it is sugar which is the harmful element in most peole's diets.

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(192 Posts)The founders of a restaurant chain have been brought in by the gov to do a "Jamie Oliver". It seems they think the lunches parents are providing are wholly responsible for childhood, and future, obesity.
I don't think it would be good to ban packed lunches. There will always be fussy eaters for whom having to eat a school meal will be stressful. Haven't they got enough stress to contend with already? Can't schools just lay down a few rules about what is and why isn't allowed in lunch boxes?
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They would be totally against a high sugar diet! Of course they know that.
One for you too
(not a bitchy one though)
Granjura The word 'abuse' is an emotive one, and it is not one that I think should be applied to parents who for whatever reason, through poverty or ignorance, or even just laziness, give their children crisps, sweets and fizzy drinks. Providing a child with a poor diet is just not in the same league as physical or sexual abuse, and by extending the use of the word to other behaviours, there's a danger that the word becomes in some way diluted and has less impact.
Yes, it's bad, it's sad, but it's not criminal, and unless you want to live in a police state, education and explicit food labelling are all you can do.
j08 Nobody seems to have told them either that high sugar consumption is the main cause of metabolic syndrome, one of the results of which is cardiovascular disease.
Bags
jane, I love your last post.
Nobody's told this lot that coconut oil is ok.
janeainsworth, if you read my previous posts, I do not agree with banning packed lunches - partly because it is the only option for my grandson with a life threatening allergy to egg and some nuts. I do not know what the answer is - better education and support for parents? And yes, the food industry lobbies need to be fought, hard- and the government needs to stop this hypocrisy of saying one thing, and then supporting the food industry's shadowy deals under the table.
What I am objecting to here, is the fact that most people agree that child abuse is not acceptable and that children need to be protected from such. And yet, despite all the research showing the enormous impact of poor diet (and by that I do not mean 'poor' in monetary terms. It is possible to cook excellent nutritious food for less than a £1 a head- which is often cheaper than ready meals)- on so many fronts, we should somehow ignore this and 'it's none of society's' business. Either we do protect children (and I think we should) or we do not. Many people constantly talk about peodophiles and abduction - when the real dangers are ignored. I don't get it.
Even if we have Packed Lunch Monitors sending home ticklists of what was good and bad in Junior's lunch, and confiscating forbidden foods, I can't see how it could work. Unless of course we set guidelines for nutritional targets and punish parents who fail to improve/achieve. Now that would be interesting!
Any particular reason j08? At least it is arguing both ways. Do you detect a lack of scientific rigour perhaps?
I wouldn't take a lot of notice of anything on that website! '
Baggy I use coconut oil to cook my eggs too but never beef or lard. errk 
Granjura That is an alarming read. I agree with Bags about many members of the Government having individual and party political fingers in the pie of many of these industries. This is why so many of these health improvement ideas have been shelved.
J08 the jury is out on coconut oil. Many think it has beneficial effects in lowering cholesterol, but the biochemistry is quite complicated 
Bags I am sure you are right that the food industry follows demand. There was a programme about supermarkets last week showing a scientist who had spent 8 (yes 8) years developing a new strawberry - and it would only be developed and marketed if the panel of testers thought it was better than existing strawberries - it had to be sweeter, firmer, less likely to get crushed etc.
Granjura I don't doubt what you say about the execrable nature of many children's diets and the longterm effects on children's health. But I don't think that banning packed lunches is the way forward.
Some supermarkets now say "no trans-fats in own products". Sadly not in cakes and biscuits. 
I used to put coconut oil on my hair, because someone said it made it grow faster!
Mama don' want no peas and an' rice, an' coconut oil...
Coconut oil is very saturated fat!
Not healthy. Coconut oil bad! You don't need red meat and egg!
You could regret this missis!
Meanwhile DH is cooking me a home-made burger (no grains within a mile of it) stuffed with home-made guacamole, and he's just said he'll plonk a fried egg on top of it. He will use beef fat or lard or possibly coconut oil to fry the egg. Healthy food. Yummy too 
Do you seriously think the govt will ban trans fats? I bet there are a few government snouts in food industry troughs that will prevent that. Yes, I am that cynical.
Here,s something interesting I found via Twitter today: www.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/business/american-palate-grows-more-adventurous.html?src=recg&pagewanted=all&_r=0. Seems to be saying the food industry follows consumer demand rather than the other way round. I haven't read it carefully yet.
Overfed and Undernourished: the Plight of UK Children Today
In the face of the UK's unfolding child nutrition disaster, Jennifer Swift argues the case for serious regulation of our children's food and how it is advertised, including a ban on industrial trans fats. Published in the Church Times, 23 June 2006.
"This will be the first generation where children die before their parents as a consequence of childhood obesity", warned the House of Commons Health Select Committee in 2004 [quoted in "Sick to Our Stomachs" by Sarah Bosley, Guardian, 29 September 2004]. This stark message about the dire consequences of poor nutrition in childhood has since been followed by a torrent of further developments, ranging from the popular television series Jamie's School Dinners to recent declines in the sales of junk food such as crisps. Yet British children are continuing to pile on the weight. Over a third of them are already overweight or frankly obese, and if the trend continues, by 2020 more than one half will be overweight or obese.
And this excess weight is not the only nutritional problem that British children suffer from. Unpublicised official figures from the latest National Diet and Nutrition Survey [jointly funded by the Food Standards Agency and the Department of Health] show that huge numbers of our children are not getting even minimal levels of the essential vitamins and minerals they need.
Oxford University's Alex Richardson (who is a senior research fellow at Mansfield College) reveals some of these deficiencies in her new book, They Are What You Feed Them: between one-half and two-thirds of children in every age group are getting less than adequate vitamin A in their diets, 75% of boys and 87% of girls are deficient in vitamin B2, and the list goes on and on.
Dr Richardson points out that while the results of the adult survey are freely available on the Internet [www.food.gov.uk/science/101717/ndnsdocuments], the data for children can only be found between the covers of a £65 book [The National Diet & Nutrition Survey: young people aged 4 to 18 years, Ruston et al, HMSO 2000; can be ordered at www.statistics.gov.uk/ssd/surveys/national_diet_nutrition_survey_children.asp] asks, "perhaps the Government would rather we didn't know?" [They Are What You Feed Them, by Alex Richardson, Harper Thorsons 2006, p. 8].
The reasons why so many children today are either overweight or missing vital nutrients or both are not hard to find. A child who prefers computer games on the sofa to kicking a ball around the park is clearly more likely to get fat, but lack of exercise cannot explain those missing vitamins and minerals. Children today are eating more and more food that is high in refined sugars and starches and synthetic fats and additives and deficient in everything else. To take just one example, the Food Commission reports that the sugar in a single bottle of Ribena exceeds a child's recommended maximum sugar intake for an entire day [www.foodcom.org.uk].
In response to this crisis in our children's diets, a coalition of 161 health, parents', and consumer groups have banded together behind the Children's Food Bill, which proposes measures to improve children's current and future health and to prevent food-related illnesses. The Government has largely accepted half of the proposals, such as setting nutritional standards for school meals and banning the sale of fizzy drinks and sweets in school vending machines.
However, there is one key provision of the Bill which the Government is dead set against - banning the broadcast of TV adverts for unhealthy food before the 9pm watershed. Indeed, when on 22 May Ofcom issued a consultation document about food advertising aimed at children, they refused even to include the pre-watershed ban as one of the four options for further action, describing it as "disproportionate".
The advertising of junk food to children is a lucrative business - it is estimated that banning it before 9pm would lose commercial broadcasters up to £240 million of income per year ["Ofcom faces legal action over food advertising" by Julia Day, Guardian 23 May 2006]. There is much rhetoric about the importance of children's nutrition, but the outcome of this dispute will reveal whether our society's proclaimed commitment to helping children to make healthy food choices is real or not. The Children's Food Bill coalition is encouraging people who are genuinely concerned to contact their Member of Parliament about the Bill.
Meanwhile the Government, as if trying to distract public attention from their failure to tackle the vested interests that benefit from our children's ill-health, is trailing ill-considered quick fixes, such as the recent suggestion by the Education Secretary, Alan Johnson, that all UK schoolchildren might receive free fish oil capsules ["Brain Food" by Maria Woolf and Jeremy Laurance, Independent on Sunday 11 Sunday 2005]. There is no doubt that most British children (and adults too) consume far too little of the essential fatty acid omega-3, the vital nutrient supplied by fish oil, which is necessary for a healthy heart, brain and immune system.
Nor is there any doubt that several scientific studies have shown that a form of omega-3 can help children with hyperactivity and dyslexia. But there is no firm evidence yet that these supplements would improve the behaviour and performance of normal schoolchildren. Dr Richardson is the scientist behind the Oxford-Durham trial, one of the few properly-controlled experiments showing that omega-3 can benefit children with specific behavioural problems, and so she is scarcely one to undervalue it, but she thinks Alan Johnson's new-found enthusiasm for omega-3 needs to be properly channelled.
"Scientists in Oxford have drawn up a proposal for a proper scientific trial of omega-3 in mainstream schoolchildren," she said. "Our charity, Food and Behaviour Research, is trying to raise the funds needed which are a tiny fraction of of the cost of giving omega-3 supplements indiscrimately to all school children. It seems more than silly to consider spending billions of pounds of taxpayers' money on supplements when we don't even know what this will achieve. What's more, it's always better to get nutrients from food if possible" [Telephone interview, 12 June 2006].
However, there is one simple step the Government could take which would certainly benefit the health of the nation's children (and adults as well) - ban the use of transfats (partially hydrogenated fats) in food. Made from vegetable oils heated to high temperatures so that they become semi-solid, transfats are found in biscuits, sweets, cakes, ready meals and fast food. The twisted shapes of transfat molecules throw a spanner into many processes in the human body, and they are believed to be ten times more likely than saturated fat to cause heart disease. Denmark has banned transfats and the United States has begun to require the mandatory labelling of products containing them, but here in the UK the Government is leaving it to the supermarkets to remove transfats from their products.
Banning transfats would cost the taxpayer nothing, nor would it evoke cries of 'nanny state', because transfats have been chosen by food manufacturers, not consumers; furthermore, because transfats actively block omega-3 in the brain, getting rid of them might even improve the behaviour and school performance of our children.
Have you seen this thread, jura? www.gransnet.com/forums/health/a1199394-What-if-were-wrong-about-Type-2-Diabetes
Your childhood food sounds very much like mine - and nothing wrong with that. Teachers often do food diaries with kids, at primary school or as part of food studies, and kids are amazingly honest.
Sorry to say, but it seems you have no idea just how poor some kids diets are, and the implications on so many levels, including educationally as well as health. Again, either we as a society decide that it is our business to protect kids from things that seriously affect their health, education and future prospects, or we do not. So, hands off - but why on this aspect, and not others???
Yes, children do talk to teachers, but teachers interpret what they're being told and that leads to confusion. Anecdotal evidence is not good enough.
The 'State' is accused of interfering with teaching methods whenever they try to bring about change, but seemingly this same 'State' should be charged with protecting children from unproven 'abuse'.
As an aside, my son, then aged 9, told his teacher that I could not shop at a newly opened Superstore because I was a kleptomaniac. He was partly right, I couldn't use the store because I'm really claustrophobic, and this particular outlet no windows. On my only visit there, I shamed myself by panicking and rushing out....
And teachers always believe everything kids tell them
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I loved the comments teachers used to write on DD3's writing jotters after another of her tall tales of home life 
Sounds fine to me, and I bet they were healthy on it. Just as I was healthy even though I ate cornflakes with sugar and milk (full cream, natch; drank the stuff too when I got home from school) for breakfast for most of my childhood
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We had puddings with dinner (pie and custard type puddings) and my mum always provided something sweet at tea time too – a slice of cake or something like that.
Between meals we were allowed, in our teens, to help ourselves to bread (sliced white) and jam or peanut butter.
We all thrived and were disgustingly healthy, though I'm sure such a system would be frowned on now. Just shows what a load of bullshit all this food bossiness is.
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