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Come on you Daily Mail supporters

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bluebell Thu 03-Oct-13 20:44:09

You are being very quiet!!! How dare they - a memorial service. An apology does not cut it!

Greatnan Sat 05-Oct-13 08:33:39

Bags - it was just a bit of fun! I think there are many gransnetters who don't 'toe the line', whatever line you mean!

petallus Sat 05-Oct-13 08:20:22

Perhaps I am still missing the point.

petallus Sat 05-Oct-13 08:19:53

Whoever put the test together was being obvious surely!

I don't think the test was a valid comment on the DM.

Aka Sat 05-Oct-13 08:11:22

That it was obvious. The DM is not noted for its subtlety.

petallus Sat 05-Oct-13 08:09:39

What was?

Aka Sat 05-Oct-13 08:07:52

I think that was the point Petallus

petallus Sat 05-Oct-13 08:05:45

Sel do you think that posting pictures of people accused of murder on the front page of a newspaper, labelling them killers, before they have been found guilty is a good thing generally?

The test to see if the DM hates you was was silly and embarrassingly obvious.

thatbags Sat 05-Oct-13 07:56:54

Odd really, but my 2+ years' membership of gransnet has given me more exposure to the DM than I'd had in the rest of my life put together. Can't say it's an improvement.

Don't give a rat's fart whether the DM hates me or not. I expect it would. I expect the Grauniad would too, were it asked.

Because I refuse to toe the line. Whatever "the line" happens to be. Prefer to think for myself.

absent Sat 05-Oct-13 07:36:04

I did this on a thread in the other place and was amazed to be hated so quickly. grin

Greatnan Sat 05-Oct-13 07:28:40

I got away with being a woman (just disliked), and I do not look in the least like a muslim, and I am hetrosexual - but I am not married and I don't have a job, so I am proud to say the DM hates me!

JessM Sat 05-Oct-13 07:03:50

grannyactivist some of us remember this saga - another nasty and shameful example of the press intruding into private tragedy.

Greatnan Sat 05-Oct-13 07:00:48

Most atheists I know (and I know a lot!) were brought up by parents who at least paid lip service to Christianity and were sent to Church schools.
Blair's father was a Conservative - oh no, so was he!

thatbags Sat 05-Oct-13 06:56:51

I agree that it's about decency. I agree that the victims of press libel and other reporter nastiness think punishment of offenders comes too late.

A life term for murder doesn't deter murder either.
Jail terms for robbery and bodily harm don't deter those crimes.
Good grief, death sentences don't deter some of it!

Of course the law doesn't prevent all journalistic depradations. The same applies to all other human evil and badness.

None of this justifies the censorship of freedom of speech either in the press or anywhere else.

And none of the above means I don't sympathise with victims of press depradations.

I think it does mean that people have not detached their perfectly natural feelings from the principle at stake.

Mamie Sat 05-Oct-13 06:01:45

The thing is Sel that both Milibands have often said how disappointed their father would have been that they had moved as far to the right as the Labour party. I really don't think you can assume that people automatically adopt the views of their parents. Goodness me, if that were the case I would be a Tory!

j08 Fri 04-Oct-13 23:45:31

Sel. I know.

grannyactivist Fri 04-Oct-13 23:30:00

I have just written a very long response to Bags based upon my own first hand experience of the press - and somehow lost it at the point of posting. angry

In brief:
Winning libel damages when lies and distortions have been published has the same effect as shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. The damage has already occurred and no amount of money, no two lines of apology on page 27 or wherever, can take the lies back or undo the heartache and distress caused.
I know this from painful experience. The law, as it stands, is not an effective deterrent and I have no faith in a self regulated press.

Sel Fri 04-Oct-13 23:30:00

j08 it was the DM who pictured the suspects in the Stephen Lawrence case under the headline 'Killers' and invited them to sue. They were instrumental in getting justice for the Lawrence family.

Aka Ok, I'm hated apparently.

j08 Fri 04-Oct-13 23:21:39

"Anyone remember Stephen Lawrence? "

Err yes. I think we might do. hmm

j08 Fri 04-Oct-13 23:20:28

You don't need to know what a politician's father did or didn't say or do. No-one is that influenced by their parents.

Aka Fri 04-Oct-13 23:11:28

try this

Sel Fri 04-Oct-13 22:50:48

Quite agree with you thatbags about censorship of the press, dangerous and not required. I want to know what our masters are up to and if the press libels anyone, there is redress in law.

Sel Fri 04-Oct-13 22:48:00

If Ed Milliband wishes to govern this country he would expect his background to be gone over with a fine tooth comb. That's politics. You dish it, you take it. He knows that and all this righteous indignation from the Left with Alistair Campbell on lead vocals is hypocrisy, we all know that.

No problem with the Left seizing the opportunity to grab the sanctified moral high ground, distressed and shocked at the DM. The Right would have pulled the same trick had The Guardian attacked Cameron's family. Politics. No one really believes it will make one iota of difference.

I was interested to read about Ed's Marxist father, particularly after the Labour conference where Ed and his Union paymasters seemed to aspire to take us back to Old Labour. God Forbid.

Anyone remember Stephen Lawrence? The DM picturing his killers on their front page? Their concerted campaign to bring them to justice?

What was the front page of the page of the Socialist Worker newspaper after Margaret Thatcher's death? Rejoice Thatcher's Dead. Tasteful.

j08 Fri 04-Oct-13 22:39:56

It's about decency Bags.

thatbags Fri 04-Oct-13 22:39:15

There's been plenty about that elsewhere for a day or two, which is good.

Re gatecrashing and privacy, the issue is still whether the bad behaviour of some reporters justifies press censorship by the state or whether we just need stricter laws for dealing with the bad behaviour and slinging the culprits in jail or fining them.

Good night all moon

Aka Fri 04-Oct-13 22:36:39

his how