Sex cases in the news

Having a steady boyfriend is one thing...being prepared to have sex with any or all the members of a pop group is quite another!

I feel sure that in a programme about the Stones several months ago - may even have been a year (time flies), they said that they had the pick of whichever girls they fancied after a concert. Where will it all stop?

when. That is very honest! Love it.

Petallus sorry, I've gone and lost the plot now! Been out, put the shopping away, went out again, brought the dog home and had my tea, fell asleep for 10 minutes and now so much has been written on here I've lost track of what I was banging on about. Not unusual for me! When I get a grip I'll come back. Apologies!

I went in pubs but I've never smoked.

Too right Granny23!

I had a steady boyfriend when I was 15.

Ana I think SOME of us were more innocent, but others, myself included, were working, smoking, drinking and having 'dates' or steady boyfriends by the time we were 15. It was, in fact, the more innocent among us, who had a sheltered upbringing, who ended up either married with a baby at 16, or quietly having a secret abortion.

You're right Ana it was all 'swooning and getting weak at the knees' but definitely not about the act of having sex.

We were more innocent in those days though, weren't we? We may have fancied certain pop stars and even DJs, but it was all through a romantic haze - we imagined them falling in love with us, probably kissing passionately, but in my own mind it never went further than that...

Well that kind of pop music was aimed at young teenaged girls wasn't it. Grooming by pop? Surely not. And we go on about the pop music industry and their disgraceful videos today. Plus Ca change...
Except today the women, like Cyrus, in pop are doing the grooming on the men's behalf. Neat trick chaps.
Oh and lets not forget that Lolita was a huge best seller in the 1960s.

Oh God, what rubbish we grew up with!

Nothing to indicate she was underage though - lots of American teenagers and young women wore ponytails in the 50s/early 60s.

Chantilly Lace and a pretty face
And a pony tail hangin' down,
A wiggle in her walk and a giggle in her talk,
They're gonna make the world go 'round

Ain't nothing in the world like a big eyed girl
To make me act so funny,
Make me spend my money.
Make me feel real loose like a long necked goose,
Like a - Wa baby that's what I like.

I think the age of the girl is implied since mature women don't usually go around wiggling and giggling and wearing hair in a pony tail.

Added to this it was sung by The Big Bopper who had a deep, masculine, predatory kind of voice.

I rest my case!

A number of posters are referring to DJ's and groping, or 'consensual sex' with a minor.
I wouldn't want to confuse the very serious charges against Bill Roache and Rolf Harris, with the offences which DLT is charged with.
I am not minimising the impact of DLT's alleged offences on the girls and women who experienced his unacceptable behaviour, which seems to continue if what an Observer journalist said in after interviewing him last year.
Rolph Harris was found to have on his computer when he was arrested last year, numerous photographic images of infants and children being sexually abused.
The fact that Bill Roache's children are supporting him is no different than the way in Stuart Hall's children, and wife appeared at this side, throughout his trial.

I don't think Chantilly Lace mentions age at all, petallus.

Police and 'Don't Stand so Close To Me'

Roy Harper and 'Forbidden Fruit'

Both of these songs quite explicit regarding sexuality and young girls.

'Chantilly Lace' was Jerry Lee Lewis - the man who married his 13 year old cousin (once removed).

You can find anything on the internet these days, according to one of the websites it was written by Anka when he was 15 "about the crush he had on his sister's babysitter who was 5 years older". He released it by the time he was 16 "I was a precocious kid" he says.

When I was 16 (just in work) I was asked by a fellow worker who used be roadie for a very well known pop group if I wanted to go to a concert with him and meet the band, I was thrilled until he told me what would be expected of me I declined.

A male friend had an affair with a married woman in her twenties when he was only 14. 'Diana' was their song.

What about Chantilly Lace?

It's the singer of the song, surely - i.e. the man...?

Happy Birthday Sweet 16 by Neil Sedaka is another one ('Tonight's the night I've waited for...')

I've now been reminded of the Paul Anka song, 'Diana' - which one of them is "so young"?

"Diana"

I'm so young and you're so old
This, my darling I've been told
I don't care just what they say
'Cause forever I will pray
You and I will be as free
As the birds up in the trees
Oh, please, stay by me, Diana

Thrills I get when you hold me close
Oh, my darling, you're the most
I love you but do you love me
Oh Diana, can't you see
I love you with all my heart
And I hope we will never part
Oh, please, stay with me, Diana

Oh my darlin', oh my lover
Tell me that there is no other
I love you with my heart
Oh-oh, oh-oh
Oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh
Only you can take my heart
Only you can tear it apart
When you hold me in your loving arms
I can feel you giving all your charms
Hold me darling, ho-ho-hold me tight
Squeeze me baby with a-all your might
Oh, please, stay by me Diana

when I'm not completely sure what you are asking me if I am sure about.

Was it my remark about 'underage consensual sex'? If so, are you making the point that underage sex cannot, legally, be consensual?

If so, I agree.

I was thinking of the difference between a situation where a 14 or 15 year old is being physically forced, protesting, into sex and a situation where she goes into the situation willingly and gives her consent (though this would not hold weight in a court of law.

Or perhaps you didn't mean that

I see another woman has spoken out about Lord Rennard saying he sexually assaulted her too and calling on Nick Clegg to do something about it.

I'm not holding my breath.

Granny22 I enjoyed hearing that song again! very apt!
Also I am in a nice relationship now and have survived my childhood abuse, though I must admit I would prefer not to be reminded of it night after night on the news!

Very interesting to hear that so many of us have suffered at the hands of men over the years. I too have mixed feelings about the prosecution of these DJs and actors. They obviously did take advantage of young girls in varying degrees of severity and I don't think they should get away with it now just because it was years ago. However, men are weak creatures when it comes to women and I can well imagine how the girls behaved because I did it myself in the 60s.
Even so, I think men know(and knew) when they are doing wrong and as such if women come forward now with historical complaints I think that they should be taken seriously.
I spent my whole young life being exploited and abused by males, first by my brother at a very young age, then by many of his friends when I no longer cared what happened to me. Later as a married woman I experienced sexual harassment by a manager in an office I worked in. I was shocked and appalled by his behaviour but I was too scared to tell anyone so I just left. In those days no one really had any sympathy for girls and women in these situations, and I'd been stung by my own mother's disbelief at my own brother's antics so was not about to be put down again!
Thank goodness these things are at least discussed now and women taken seriously, even if prosecutions are not always made. The serious sexual abuse of children and young girls that you hear about in the news always upsets me though on a very personal level.