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Lord Rennard

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JessM Tue 21-Jan-14 08:08:34

It is a valid point that by not having proper procedures you also hang the accused person out to dry. It does not do them any favours to have allegations floating around which they say are untrue. And of course the organisation suffers. Managers sometimes complain about having to have and follow HR procedures but I always say "the procedures are partly there to cover your arse and stop it getting messy"

annodomini Mon 20-Jan-14 22:54:24

'Sorry seems to be the hardest word.'

Ana Mon 20-Jan-14 22:41:29

Just watched the Newsnight report about this - Emily Maitliss actually referred to it as 'a tragedy'! Oh dear, poor Lord Rennard...hmm

margaretm74 Mon 20-Jan-14 19:21:43

Now he's making himself out to be the victim!

BAnanas Mon 20-Jan-14 17:00:57

Yes margaretm, know what you mean, there is an awful photo I have seen of him many times in shorts and flat sandals, the sort of attire you see little boys aged 2 or 3 wearing. Not a good look on a very overweight middle aged? jowly man! Glad he's been suspended, unwanted mauling is horrible for the recipient and often made light of.

margaretm74 Mon 20-Jan-14 16:38:56

Good. He reminds me of a big fat spoilt baby. He is (was) powerful and thought he could get away with such unacceptable behaviour for years. There are many such as he out there, unfortunately. Nowadays women should have more of a voice, but it doesn't seem to be the case quite often.

JessM Mon 20-Jan-14 15:15:09

He's been suspended. Clegg had to be seen to stand up to him. Rennard has been viewed as "god" by many in the party according to the telegraph. Wonder what his cronies will think/do now?

durhamjen Mon 20-Jan-14 14:13:22

They are now saying that Rennard might not be going to the House of Lords today as he is ill because he has diabetes. He's had that for a while; I do not see how that makes him too ill to do his job if necessary, or to appear as a crossbencher and be snubbed.

FlicketyB Mon 20-Jan-14 14:03:23

It is now a jousting match between men trying to prove how big they are. Clegg and associates v Rennard and associates, the women seem to have been lost somewhere.

nigglynellie Mon 20-Jan-14 13:52:07

What I find incredible about all this is the arrogance of this man. Not being rude, but has he looked in the mirror lately? if so, whatever leads him to believe that anyone, never mind a young person would be even remotely flattered or interested in any approach by him, a portly(!!) ageing, and frankly unattractive man! Of course his behaviour was quite unacceptable and not only has he brought the liberal party into disrepute but made an enormous fool of himself, a laughing stock I would have thought! He should have apologised without reservation for any hurt, embarrassment or upset that his behaviour inadvertently(!!) caused. A bit late for that now - contrived is a word that comes to mind!

JessM Mon 20-Jan-14 13:40:48

it's a cliffhanger. Will the wounded bull-mammoth join the herd this afternoon, or not?
I can't see how he is not, now, bringing the party into disrepute by refusing to apologise and by refusing to accept the findings of the QC.
Clegg must be furious with him, and with his lord cronies that are saying that it is a big fuss about nothing. Don't think it is a fuss about nothing when young would-be MPs are getting hit on by the man that runs the party. Even if all he did was "make a pass" - completely out of order.

Iam64 Mon 20-Jan-14 12:59:26

I agree sunseeker - and I think Clegg did his best to give Lord R a get out clause.
I suspect lots of us have apologised "I'm sorry if what I did upset you, I didn't mean to cause distress". And that would usually be for phrasing something in a way that could be misconstrued. I genuinely don't see how it's possible to touch people in a way that could be felt to be sexual, or to touch breasts, bottoms, stroke legs etc, without that being construed as a sexual advance.

sunseeker Mon 20-Jan-14 12:49:35

Don't you think that if he did apologise now he wouldn't really mean it and would therefore mean nothing.

If he admitted his behaviour was unacceptable then an apology might mean something.

Iam64 Mon 20-Jan-14 12:42:53

What a mess.
Evidently, Lord Rennard continues to refuse to apologise to the women, as he had been asked to do.

It seems he still doesn't understand or accept that his behaviour caused distress, and was inappropriate. Lord Carlisle and others support him in his refusal to apologise. They seem either believe that the women who complained were lying, or alternatively that a group of hysterical woman have over reacted to some kind of innocent behaviour.

The Lib Dems have a smaller number of women MP's than the other parties. Is it any wonder, given this dinosaur like attitude to sexual harassment. This is of course, the same party that covered up, minimised, and denied the allegations against Cyril Smith. David Steele described that as no more than a bit of bottom smacking.

And, they wonder why younger people are less likely to vote.