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Would a smoking ban in cars work?

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Nelliemoser Thu 30-Jan-14 23:18:04

Jingle In practice it would be well nigh impossible to press charges for neglect over smoking, unless perhaps, the child had serious health issues and the parental smoking was exacerbating this.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 30-Jan-14 22:54:11

That is a very defeatist attitude absent.

Not sure if you are serious with the rest of your post. It would be too hard to legislate on what goes on inside private homes, and probably undesirable at that. Although some of the things you mention could be thought of as child neglect, and intervention might be possible.

gillybob Thu 30-Jan-14 22:34:54

Have to agree about the X rated movies though. Vile.

gillybob Thu 30-Jan-14 22:34:08

I cannot see the connection Absent an occasional burger and chips will not really harm a child will it? Having a burger and chips 3,4,5, 6 times a day or week would. A child being ferried around in the car with a pair of chain smoking parents could seriously harm a child's health.

gillybob Thu 30-Jan-14 22:30:56

I agree with jingle at least an outright ban would go some way to protect vulnerable children who have no choice but to sit in the confines of a car and breath in the smoke. Yes there will still be people who do it but if they are caught then the law would come into force and they would be fined or whatever. I cannot understand why anyone would want to force smoke onto their child. It was different years ago when no one really understood the damage smoking could do, but today there is absolutely no excuse.

petallus Thu 30-Jan-14 22:28:26

I totally agree absent.

I was making the same point to DH earlier today.

Joelsnan Thu 30-Jan-14 21:55:32

I think it would be better to educate or humiliate rather than legislate.
Cringeworthy TV advertising that gave the health education message whilst making it antisocialy uncool might work better.

Aka Thu 30-Jan-14 19:21:27

I don't think smoking and being law-abiding are mutually exclusive Absent Consequently there are bound to be those who will comply.

And of course you're entitled to rant and go OTT if that's what makes you happy how you feel.

absent Thu 30-Jan-14 18:51:03

Those who already smoke in cars containing children will continue to do so; those who don't will be unaffected by any new law. This is a PR exercise. How about introducing a law that any parent feeding a child burger and chips or in excess of 120 g sweets or chocolate more than once a week will be prosecuted and fined? Any parent allowing a child to watch an X-rated DVD will be prosecuted and fined. Any parent who drinks more than the recommended number of alcohol units per week will be prosecuted and fined? Any parent who fails to take a child for six-monthly check-ups at the dentist will be prosecuted and fined? Any parent who fails to have their child protected by routine vaccinations will be prosecuted and fined. Any parent…

All worthy ideas from the point of view of child welfare; all completely silly in practical terms. As for the cost of policing them…

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 30-Jan-14 18:43:19

safety. Not safer

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 30-Jan-14 18:42:12

It should be banned. To protect children from selfish, idiotic parents, and for safer reasons.

No harder to enforce than the use of mobile phones. And they banned that.

Don't know why no one thought of it before.

Charleygirl Thu 30-Jan-14 18:36:27

I have been a heavy passive smoker all of my life. My parents were heavy smokers, and when I started work, most people smoked. My ex was a smoker as was my ex boss. To crown it all, another boss used to swan around with a cigar in his mouth with me running in the opposite direction.

Even when smoking was banned at work, my boss thought that she was immune to all rules and still smoked heavily.

Much as I love the idea I think that the ban would be impossible to enforce.

glammanana Thu 30-Jan-14 17:32:26

I do think it would be hard to enforce the only way to do it would be a total ban on smoking when in a car altogether, what is to stop a person smoking say on their way to collect children from school etc the car would still be full of fumes when the little ones got in the car so that defeats the object (does that make sense ?) very difficult I think but anyone with any ounce of common sense wouldn't smoke in a confined space near little ones anyway.

Nelliemoser Thu 30-Jan-14 17:28:10

It would not be easy to implement but it makes a very good point by giving the clear message that it is very harmful for children. If its banned in work places it should be banned near children.
I am sure it could certainly be implemented in towns and other areas where it is easier to see it happening.
I wonder if "safety cameras" are now good enough to catch clear images of cars and the occupants?

positivepam Thu 30-Jan-14 16:49:50

I agree I think it is a good idea but, as phoenix says I think it would be very hard or impossible to enforce. The police have a very hard job to do now, have they really got time to follow cars to see if people are smoking? They don't really manage to stop people using their mobile phones so what chance of this? Nice idea though, I do not understand why people do not see what damage they are doing to their children, you might occasionally see someone with the window open but not when it is raining and.......well, say no more, when did it not rain recently?

goldengirl Thu 30-Jan-14 16:47:52

I agree with Phoenix that it would be difficult to enforce. The number of times I see drivers with a phone clamped to their ear............

Grannyknot Thu 30-Jan-14 13:21:28

I cringe when I think of all the years my husband was a smoker and smoked in the house even when our children were around (as many people did then). But somewhere I must have had some inkling because I absolutely refused to have him smoke in the bedroom (although he kept his ciggies and lighter on his bedside table). He also cringes now by the way.

Anne58 Thu 30-Jan-14 13:20:57

I do think that it would be difficult to enforce.

In my experience the mobile phone ban doesn't seem to be working, I see many people driving and talking on their phones at the same time.

Aka Thu 30-Jan-14 13:16:17

If it stops even a few from doing it then that's a bonus.

gillybob Thu 30-Jan-14 12:44:27

As a non smoker I know it is easy for me to say this but I have never understood why it can be considered a crime to hold a mobile phone in a car or indeed take a bite out of an apple and perfectly acceptable to take a cigarette out of its packet, fumble for a lighter, light the cigarette and then smoke it. How anyone could smoke in a car with young children breathing in the fumes is beyond me too, when the smoking in the workplace laws make it illegal for a worker to smoke in his/her van or company vehicle if there are passengers.

Nick Clegg says that a law banning smoking in a car where there are children present is unworkable and impossible to enforce. What does everyone else think?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548618/Banning-parents-smoking-cars-like-police-stopping-children-eating-crisps-fizzy-drinks-says-Nick-Clegg-warns-controversial-law-NOT-work.html