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Fat, sugar and salt - do you agree?

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gangy5 Thu 13-Mar-14 16:43:39

Do you agree that the over consumption of the demon 3 by our children and grandchildren is likely to damage their health?

I would like to see choices for mums made a lot easier when shopping for food. They can't and don’t want to spend all day in the supermarket checking labels. The governments of past years have advised manufacturers as to what they would like to see done in limiting these additions but have left them to ‘self regulate’ -- end result - nothing much happens!

Ready meals and manufactured foods are affecting the health of the nation. This problem will not be sorted unless the manufacturers are forced to follow strict guidelines. It’s the only way that a difference can be made.

If you agree - please look at my e petition and sign it. If I can get 100,000 signatures it will be debated in Parliament.

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/62209

rosequartz Mon 17-Mar-14 16:22:59

I may make the colcannon. I was going to do bubble and squeak, but I'll just make it an Irish version!

The cake sounds very 'nigella' - pour it into the brown, buttery, beery pan' mmmmm

Ana Mon 17-Mar-14 14:42:47

grin

And what are 'stewed hordes'? confused

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 17-Mar-14 14:34:05

According to this page of Gransnet, my soon-to-be-baked cake is "a good way to finish yourself off"!!!

I don't think it will be that bad, will it? confused

rosequartz Mon 17-Mar-14 13:57:57

Unsalted butter does not have any calories.
Nor does unrefined sugar.

This will probably get removed for lying on GN.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 17-Mar-14 13:53:53

I'm not going to put icing on mine. That should help with the old piggery temptation.

rosequartz Mon 17-Mar-14 13:49:05

Vitamin D is probably best obtained from sunshine and fish oils, nuts and seeds, jings, although animal fats do contain Vitamin D as well.

My mother used to say 'A little of what you fancy does you good', the emphasis being on the little. That is why I don't bake cakes any more because I can't stop at a little.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 17-Mar-14 13:44:47

It's a good job my guinness chocolate cake which I am going to make this afternoon uses unsalted butter. I will be very happy. sunshine shamrock

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 17-Mar-14 13:41:05

Oh crikey janeainsworth. What if she was right? shock

Sunshine definitely does it for me, but perhaps animal fats might do it too.

Ana Mon 17-Mar-14 12:52:18

She used to be a barrister.

Galen Mon 17-Mar-14 12:41:25

She was legally qualified wasn't she?

rosequartz Mon 17-Mar-14 12:36:01

That's sad news, she was a real character.

janeainsworth Mon 17-Mar-14 12:32:39

I've just heard on the radio hat Clarissa Dickson-Wright (one of the Two Fat Ladies) has died aged 66.
She was known for being politically incorrect but I thought I had heard it all when they played a recording of her on Desert Island Discs, saying that the only way you could manufacture serotonin in the body was by eating animal fats, and the rise in use of antidepressants was due to everyone stopping eating them grin

gangy5 Mon 17-Mar-14 11:25:06

Thank you also for yours janeainsworth - good to know of the OK ready meals.
After reading the article written by Aseem Malhotra in the Observer yesterday I thought I would Google him. I was very pleased to see that a vigorous campaign is already up and running, it's main aim being to improve manufactured foods. It seems well on it's way with many notable supporters and there have already been representations to 'the powers that be'
I enjoyed your contribution SuzanneL60 - very well balanced and interesting and no it wasn't a rant.
It's nice that we don't get bitchy on here. I also posted this on Mumsnet and had quite an earful!!!

janeainsworth Mon 17-Mar-14 08:52:36

Thanks for the link Gangy

HollyDaze Sun 16-Mar-14 21:48:50

Professor Adam Carey and also the Harvard School of Public Health would argue that calorie free water from the tap will make you gain weight, get various cancers, diabetes, cardiovascular disease. There's no end to it sad

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1261203/How-water-CAN-make-fat-chemicals-drink-trigger-weight-gain-fertility-problems.html

gangy5 Sun 16-Mar-14 14:26:40

Relevant article in today's Observer :-

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/16/big-food-in-denial-about-harm-of-sugar#start-of-comments

SuzanneL60 Sat 15-Mar-14 21:48:03

i find it hard to put the risk factors solely at the door of food and cigarettes. I am 'fat' and get my 'fat' genes from my Mum. No eye problems.
My Dad was skinny and from a family who were all tall, slim and nearly blind , i.e. not allowed to drive or worse by 50. My brother is tall, slim and ...nearly blind. Just about still allowed to drive.
I married a man who came from a fat thin combo. His sisters are short and skinny as were their parents and grandparents.
All my three children are taller than me and their Dad and as a friend is fond of saying, she has seen more fat on a chip. Despite my attention to their diet - breakfast, lunchbox and evening meal, at every and I mean every opportunity they will eat junk, Friends all eat junk and as a result they got a taste for it. feeding their friend when they came round was nightmare that had to be planned for.
I cook with salt but we don't have it on the table.
We have puddings but generally ice-cream or yoghurts. Not big fruit eaters, though a cucumber or tomatoes won't last a day!

After watching the TV talking about how much sugar was in a can of beans etc, I was surprised. But with each generation there seems to be something else to worry about.
I currently have an issue with the way Midwives do not educate new mums to be in the importance of good nutrition. yes its well known in some circles that Folic acid should be taken well before the thought of trying for a baby. How can some mums feed themselves for 'two', nutrition rather than portion wise, if they are not earning enough to pay the bills as well. With those that do have enough it is not trendy to be eating full fat anything. With todays anti sun and low fat culture, how many babies are being born with less strong bones due to a mothers insufficiency? If that mother then goes on to breast feed compounding the problem. then finding themselves in a Jayden Wrays parents situation or worse ours. This is well documented, however ignored by doctors, social workers and their so called experts out to snatch babies for adoption. Now I could write a thesis on that subject.
Full fat milk is needed to help prevent rickets, how many children are on the green top before they go to school? Bony changes on an X-ray are difficult to see metabolically speaking until a child is 6 months old, so how can an expert categorically say nothing seen in a younger child!

Older women have to choose between the rising numbers getting cardiovascular disease at the expense of their bones leading to osteoporosis. Exercise is the only common positive link. But catch 22 scenario. not sure if I would rather have heart disease or osteoporosis.

I think we should be worried about what goes into processed foods, eat fresh at every opportunity, cut down on sugar salt and fat, but don't go crazy. Its about balance. I am not sure that reducing the RDA further is going to make that much difference.
Heart Disease, strokes and osteoporosis all cost the country millions. There is no simple fix. Diet exercise and reduce intake of alcohol and stopping smoking are all part of the puzzle.
I am very fond of telling people at work, when they finally 'own up' to smoking 20 cigarettes and drink 2 bottles of wine a week. I could be run over by a bus on my way home or my next biscuit may see me off.
We have a duty of care to educate our patients in the risks. I make sure my patients know why I am asking, why I am advising and what the benefits will be if only in the short term while they are receiving treatment. Almost exclusively my information is not needed. School children know smoking kills. However my patients often appreciate what I am saying. they are then minutely more likely to comply and continue to refrain than when too many of my colleagues berate them for even smoking or drinking in the first place. If I know that the nurse smokes or drinks, I generally have a word with them about pots and pans. Just because my trust has made a 'stand' on these two issues it doesn't mean we have to police them.
As for children, like mine, the odd 'wrong tea' is not going to do that much harm unless 'wrong teas' are the norm. then you have to think are these children spending all their time in front of a tv or video games or are they out exercising in the park. The latter is easier if you can trust them to be safe out of the house. this has an impact of what a childs body does with all the excess food rubbish. not a simple fix.
I am sure there will be people who disagree with my view point. give me 50 years and I will be right again, but not alive to know it.
Sorry for the waffle, can't be bothered to reference my meanderings.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 15-Mar-14 21:38:34

You can get loads of perfectly good ready meals. We have them at least once a week. Just add some green veg.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 15-Mar-14 21:36:32

Where are the dreadful chemicals in this? (the middle one)

MargaretX Sat 15-Mar-14 20:36:28

Young mums don't have to spend time checking labels. They know what a potato, a carrot and an apple look like. They know what milk looks like as well as bread and butter. Children like normal foods if they have been brought up on them from the start.
Of course why not convenience foods but not everyday- surely.
In our family we all eat quite normal foods and cook them at home.

janeainsworth Sat 15-Mar-14 18:56:49

Convenience food isn't always bad.
I used to buy these when I was working. They are quite expensive, but great for those nights when I just couldn't be bothered. There are no additives at all.
www.lookwhatwefound.co.uk
The food is sealed under pressure so it is sterile, and you don't even have to store them in the fridge. Tastes as good as home-made.

gangy5 Sat 15-Mar-14 16:48:26

I so agree with you HollyDaze I'm so glad to be cooking my food from fresh - at least I know what's in it.

HollyDaze Sat 15-Mar-14 16:35:12

' ...and many chemically generated additives that over the years may prove harmful to health.'

I think that the chemicals added to convenience food will be responsible for an awful lot of ailments.

gangy5 Sat 15-Mar-14 16:13:28

I decided to have an 'enforced' break from here so that I could then read about what you think etc. etc.

I understand that some of you think that diet isn't necessarily a big factor in affecting our health and I have to admit that I don't have enough of a scientific background to argue the case. I know in my heart that 'education, education, education' is the way to go. We all have intelligent discussions on here and are quite capable of taking sensible advice and taking on any good ideas as to the content of our diet. The problem is that much of the population is not as sensible as we are and are happy to carry on the way they are.

I think that my DH and myself are proof of the dangers of eating too much salt. We were both employed in the hospitality industry and therefore ate alot of 'cheffy' food. As time went on we added more and more salt to our food. The result is that we now both suffer from reduced kidney function and are on medication for this.

Fortunately most people don't eat excesses of ready meals. The problem is that all manufactured foods have excesses of certain things and many chemically generated additives that over the years may prove harmful to health.

I just wish that some these foods were of a better quality.

Galen Sat 15-Mar-14 14:51:46

The usual cause of death is the heart stopping beating.