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The Ageing Population Timebomb - Myth or Fact?

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HollyDaze Sun 16-Mar-14 21:03:50

I'm glad I'm not the only one that gets miffed by it all!

The problem with a lot of the immigrant workers is that they are on minimum or low wage and will pay very little tax so I'm not sure that will help all that much sad

It does often feel like governments adopt an attitude of divide and conquer - I'm also suspicious, as molly said, to divert attention or dissatisfaction away from themselves.

So next time you hear someone blaming the older generation, put them right! smile

durhamjen Sun 16-Mar-14 19:20:19

Well said, Jess, but I expect they'll find a way to make us pay for it all over again.

JessM Sun 16-Mar-14 18:59:17

That's why we need lots of lovely immigrants HollyDaze to look after us in our old age and to earn and pay lots of taxes to UK gov. to pay for our health care.

absent Sun 16-Mar-14 18:54:47

Well, they're not going to blame the bankers are they?

durhamjen Sun 16-Mar-14 18:39:48

I am a ticking timebomb. I was told so by my GP after having an aortic dissection nearly a year ago!

mollie Sun 16-Mar-14 18:35:58

I don't believe we are a ticking time bomb for so many reasons but the politicians have to make someone the scapegoats...makes me mad!

mollie65 Sun 16-Mar-14 18:00:06

it suits the politicians of all political hues to have a 'scapegoat' to quell the rumblings of the 'discontented' (lots of youngish people in that group but i recall from the radical 60s that young people do most of the discontented rumblings)
this could be 'immigrants'
or more likely it is the 'baby boomers' who are stealing from the young and the cause of all their ills. So instead of trying to change their lot and make the politicians listen they blame the old for getting old, for living too long, for using the nhs (as if we choose to get sick), for being supported by their taxes (as if we did not also pay tax), and for living in houses we have paid for that cost us tuppence ha'penny to buy.
I do feel for the young but the divide is between the 'rich' and the 'struggling' not as simple as an entire generation being to blame.
hollydaze - thank you for your exhaustive research - confirms what I have always felt to be the case.

durhamjen Sun 16-Mar-14 17:11:32

Fortunately, not all children are like that, Flickety.
Mine are more socialist than I am, if that's possible.

FlicketyB Sun 16-Mar-14 16:56:00

The reason older people are blamed for everything is that we have raised a generation of children, Thatcher's children, that expect to get everything they want and give nothing, and blame everybody else for their self-inflicted problems.

HollyDaze Sun 16-Mar-14 13:39:39

If there is one thing that will get my goat quite quickly, it is politicians (worldwide it would seem) berating people for getting older and draining the country of every resource including housing and money.

I am amazed that they are amazed that all these older people exist - were they not expecting us? Did we just materialise one day in order to take up valuable living space and claim the overly generous pensions (said tongue in cheek) and lie in hospital beds because we haven't got the decency to die sooner?

I decided to look into it and, as usual, all is not as it seems on the surface.

From the 1970s/80s, the problem of the elderly has been put forward in order to bring about an anti-welfarist consensus in Anglo-American societies and it highlights some very important trends in society.

It coincides with the tendency to marginalize the elderly from the labour market and from society at large.

The real issue isn’t that there aren’t enough people capable of working to support an older population, it is more that, increasingly, older people find it difficult to find employment in order to support themselves. According to recently published figures, employment for older men has declined faster than any other age group. As a result, a third of men aged between 50 and 65 are now jobless in Britain. Demography has little to do with enforced early retirement. It is this shortening of working life which is likely to create difficulties for the economic position of the elderly.

Over the past 54 years, the United Kingdom - Age dependency ratio has remained fairly static beginning with 54% in 1960 and 51% in 2011. It peaked in the 1970s at close to 60% for most of the decade. The percentages shown put Britain in middle ranking worldwide for age dependency ratios.

The British government requested two reviews from Sir Derek Wanless but don’t appear to have adopted the recommendations made by Derek Wanless and The King’s Fund www.kingsfund.org.uk/press/press-releases/wanless-review-calls-extra-money-and-new-funding-system

Canada has undergone the same process we are undergoing but with very different results: University of British Columbia health economist Morris Barer says Canadian researchers have known for more than 2 decades “that the aging of Canada’s population has a very small impact on Canadian health care costs and will continue to have a relatively small impact. Speaking to the Canadian Association of Health Services and Policy Research last year, Barer said his group alone had written 3 papers focusing on this subject over a period of 15 years but the concept of a demographic time bomb persists despite evidence to the contrary.

So given that no research exists to support the argument that the elderly are to blame, why does this persist? Is Canada managing its health service better than the UK does? Is it a way for governments to opt out of social welfare? Why do the counter-arguments never seem to gain as much airtime or column inches as the doomsayers?

Any thoughts?

(the above has been copied from various websites including Dominic Lawson on 'The Imaginary Timebomb' by Phil Mullan and the Canadian Health Service report)