Scotland YES or NO

Some passion about the UK and saying no to division. A short video and talk.

papao Couldn't agree more re. post 12.19.27.

I'll nick this from b - #hope

I've always thought, petallus, that the future of the UK should be a federal one, with proper representation for all its people.

I couldn't agree more papaoscar. It would sort the House of Lords out too as our second chamber would be a UK one, with representatives from each of the regional parliaments, while the first would be the smaller parliaments of the different countries.

The only thing I wonder is would all of England want to be represented and ruled by an English parliament?

Fair enough Bags at least you've shown your true colours..

I agree, osc, that the current referendum vote is unfair on the rest of the UK, but the rest of the UK (and probably half of Scotland) will just have to lump it now.

No could still win #hope

Don't worry, aka, I'm never offended by anything you say even if I do think it stupid or snipy.

The thread I was referring to bags was entitled English GNs referendum. I was simply noticing that the OP had disenfranchised our Welsh and Irish GNetters by her 'slip'.

Yes, I'm Scottish, born and bred but I live in England. Whereas I know that you are English but living in Scotland. Sorry if my being 'very vocal on the subject' offends you.

Hollydaze, the UK is a democracy representing all of its people. A referendum vote from any part of the UK (Be it Cornwall or Cardiff) on any issue does not, and cannot, provide a mandate for change on the whole of the UK, without the consent of the whole of the UK.

I've always thought, petallus, that the future of the UK should be a federal one, with proper representation for all its people.

I am very concerned that such important matters for all of us should not be decided by a possibly minuscule Scottish majority vote,

Miniscule or not, it's how democracy works isn't it. There must be enough people in Scotland who have had enough, who have kept with the existing system and feel it just isn't working for them - they have two choices: keep doing the same thing and getting the same result or try to make their lot better.

What bit of NO does Salmond not understand? I've just heard on the news that he is sure agreement on the pound will be reached!

How could we stop it from happening papaoscar? In what way could the UK government get a grip to stop it happening?

Genuine question. I'm not really up to speed on the ins and outs of this situation.

So with a week to go the polls suggest a very close result, and I don't think much credit reflects on the leadership of either side. Putting it politely, many Scots, for many reasons, do not want to be governed from Westminster. And that same London-based government has seriously failed in its duty to look after the interests of all of its UK citizens. However, I think the issues at stake are far more important than purely Scottish ones, and that the consequences and timetable for change could lead to widespead chaos and social disruption. I am very concerned that such important matters for all of us should not be decided by a possibly minuscule Scottish majority vote, based on a great deal of assumption and speculation. This could all end in disaster, and that must not be allowed to happen. We shall see, but in the meantime the UK government must start get a grip.

I suppose what I was trying (badly) to say is, I think a lot of small English businesses (like ours) will be trying to tie up loose ends with any Scottish contracts they have at the moment as the uncertainty is very worrying.

Our (very) small business is based in the North East and we have several customers over the border. When we first started out we had huge problems being paid by a couple of companies who used the "not recognized in Scottish law" clause to get out of paying us. This almost put us out if business. For a while we refused all work from Scotland until eventually paid a Scottish lawyer to make our terms and conditions watertight in Scotland as well as England and Wales. Today we have around 8 Scottish customers all of whom are important to our business (as I hope we are to them). My worry is that if the yes vote win, how will businesses react? Will I be safe trading over the border? How will I be paid? Will I need to rewrite my terms and conditions? Will I charge vat or treat the transaction as an EU transaction?

Genuine questions. No wonder some of the large institutions are considering moving.

Well said!

I think, Bags a lot of us are fed up with the 'Yes' band inferring that the Westminster government ignores Scotland alone. That only Scotland is treated as second class. In fact it's ALL of us who live outside the London Commuter Belt and in fact Scotland does have many advantages the rest of us don't.
I would still vote No - if I had a vote. Which I don't because being Norfik and English the outcome will have no effect on me - will it?

I'm getting the impression from some places that some people living in Englandshire, as WindyWilson, a weatherman in Auchterarder calls it, would be quite happy to tell Scotland to piss off.

Still No from me.

And, in particular, with reference to your Freudian slip comment, so do England-living gransnetters, some of whom will be Scottish by birth.

Only asking cos I've never got the impression you lived in Scotland and yet you're very vocal on this subject, as you have every right to be. So does everyone else! Even EnglishBritishnaturalisedScottish people like me.

Not at all. It's a thread for opinions. Even people who don't have a vote can have an opinion.

Do you live in Scotland, aka. Do you have a vote?

There's another thread asking for English GNetters to vote on the Scottish referendum. Now there's a Freudian slip!

I thought Pete Wishart was in Westminster

Is that because when it falls, the bread is always on top of the jam (or sausage or cheese?) Granny23 ?

Less of the sainthood, though. Knocking heads together would be nearer the truth.

I used to make bait, for my Ex Oh in South Shields