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Punctuation Poem?

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HollyDaze Sun 08-Jun-14 08:59:52

As we have a few teachers and English experts, what's your (and anyone else's) opinion about Cambridge students being asked, in an exam, to write about a poem which included no words - just punctuation.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27680904

I am most certainly not the brain of Britain but neither am I uneducated but I cannot fathom the rhyme or reason for this!

henetha Sun 08-Jun-14 11:17:57

I like poems with rhymes and beautiful words,
The above codswallop is, i.m.h.o., for the birds.
But then, I don't teach nor an expert am I,
So maybe some deep meaning is passing me by???

Mishap Sun 08-Jun-14 17:26:14

Well worth all those tuition fees!

goldengirl Sun 08-Jun-14 21:31:28

When i was at school I once had a Valentine in iambic pentameter only - no words! At least there was a rhythm to it. Punctuation doesn't express anything unless you make a face with it ;)

Ana Sun 08-Jun-14 21:54:59

Please explain how you can have an iambic pentameter without words, goldengirl confused

petallus Sun 08-Jun-14 23:10:07

Luckily, I am able to give a brief summary of the poem which is about four people involved in an intense interpersonal interaction.

In the first verse, one person stands alone opposite the other three who almost seemed to be lined up for inspection or consideration.

Verse two is about the communication which now goes on between our four protagonists and the extra punctuation used here gives a feeling of complicated, only half conscious, almost claustrophic intensity. One person from the line-up of three has now gone over to stand by the original one, a decision obviously having been made.

In verse three, two people stand alone and the feeling of emptiness and loss is shown by the empty space they are now gazing into.

There, you should have all tried a little harder. You'll never get into Cambridge at this rate.

grin

annodomini Sun 08-Jun-14 23:27:24

Brilliant piece of interpretation, petallus A+

HollyDaze Mon 09-Jun-14 09:19:18

Please explain how you can have an iambic pentameter without words

What about explaining what 'iambic pentameter' means [thick smiley]

HollyDaze Mon 09-Jun-14 09:20:19

You made that up didn't you petallus grin

Brendawymms Mon 09-Jun-14 09:25:22

Probably but very very clever grin

petallus Mon 09-Jun-14 10:00:14

I made it up! grin

You can say anything when analysing poetry so long as you can justify it.

I could probably several hundred words on a full stop!

Go on, somebody else have a go at a different interpretation.

Nelliemoser Mon 09-Jun-14 10:11:34

petallus Your explanation of this is similar to how people explain the significance of their Turner prize exhibits.

Elegran Mon 09-Jun-14 10:24:48

For Holly - iambic pentameter is verse in which each line has five "di-poms" - it goes di-pom di-pom di-pom di-pom di-pom.
Pentameter = five strong beats, iambic =di-pom

Sonnets are written in iambic pentameters (definition of a sonnet = fourteen lines of iambic pentameter), and so are a lot of Shakespeare's plays.

Examples:-
"The curfew tolls the knell of parting day" etc
"Shall I compare thee to a summer's day" etc
"The quality of mercy is not strained" etc
"To be or not to be, that is the question" etc

HollyDaze Mon 09-Jun-14 11:04:24

Elegran - many thanks for the explanation. I'd love to say I've got it now but I can't see where the five beats are in those lines you have put , I have sat here trying to tap it out and either have too many beats or not enough blush

And I like poetry!

Ana Mon 09-Jun-14 11:10:11

The cur (di-pom 1.) few tolls (di-pom 2.) the knell (di-pom 3.) of part (di-pom 4.) -ing day (di-pom 5.) etc.

rosesarered Mon 09-Jun-14 11:18:00

ying tong , ying tong, ying tong, ying tong. tiddly ey-poo!

Ana Mon 09-Jun-14 11:21:03

The more it snows (Tiddely pom)
The more it goes (Tiddely pom)
On snowing.
And nobody knows (Tiddely pom)
How cold my toes (Tiddely pom)
Are growing.

HollyDaze Mon 09-Jun-14 11:21:59

Ah, now I get it Ana - many thanks, I wasn't separating the words at alll but keeping them whole.

Elegran Mon 09-Jun-14 11:49:39

I should have put

The cur few tolls the knell of part ing day .

There are other scanning patterns:-

For instance, dactyls (pom di di pom di di etc) means fingers or toes, and you can hear the hoofbeats in-
"Half a league, half a league, half a league on wards
In to the vall ey of death rode the six hund red"

and the train going over the points in
"Fast er than Fair ies, fast er than witch es,
Bridg es and house es, hedg es and ditch es"

janerowena Mon 09-Jun-14 13:27:22

I feel quite sad for the candidates. It's a very open-ended question, and the answers are going to vary so much, therefore will be completely at the mercy of the examiner.

goldengirl Mon 09-Jun-14 18:53:31

The poem I was sent went:

U - u- u -
U- u- u-
U- u- u-
U- u- u-

The 'u' is the 'di' and the '-' is the 'dum'.

It didnt follow the iambic pentameter per se but it is still rhythmic with plenty of di dums grin - and it was an unusual Valentine!

Ana Mon 09-Jun-14 19:00:43

Although rather...inarticulate? grin

grannyisland Mon 09-Jun-14 19:57:20

Ha ha ha!

Elegran Mon 09-Jun-14 20:28:33

I once had a Valentine from OH (one of the few, he was not very good at cards) which was written in Ogham. We had been looking at Ogham stones, and he had found an alphabet and transcribed his message into that. I managed to decipher it.

papaoscar Mon 09-Jun-14 20:45:37

My poetry guru, the late Topaz MacGonagle of Tay Bridge disaster fame, has a unique way with words. His Scottish doggerel poetic offerings so popular in refined Victorian circles are a fitting tribute to the triumph of rubbish over reality, and I trust they will be included in the Scottish referendum celebrations or commiserations.