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Allegations of cover up of historic child abuse involving politicians

(42 Posts)
jinglbellsfrocks Sun 06-Jul-14 14:07:43

Why bother then?

GrannyTwice Sun 06-Jul-14 14:01:40

It's not worth replying is it - it's all been said

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 06-Jul-14 13:59:15

should have read "perfectly well now"

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 06-Jul-14 13:58:43

It's not going to fade away. "They" have got their teeth into it now. Perhaps unfortunately. Why not concentrate on this present era and leave past ones to quietly rot? Especially where the people concerned are now dead. Victims will start to come out of the woodwork. People who are getting on with their lives perfectly now.

I know - shouts of horror.

petallus Sun 06-Jul-14 12:50:55

I can't help feeling this issue will soon fade away, though I hope not.

Demonstrates something, doesn't it?

Concentrate on the (relatively) small fry, like RH, and don't confront the really powerful people in our society.

GrannyTwice Sun 06-Jul-14 12:46:47

I was quite taken aback with C4 news on Friday when it used the word
'Baying' to describe those MPs calling for an enquiry. I couldn't help but feel that the choice of that word was saying something

whenim64 Sun 06-Jul-14 12:21:46

Headline news now. Lord Tebbit says a wider enquiry is needed, whilst government rejecting need for one. It's good to hear prominent people are now saying the Establishment should not cover up again.

It is being openly connected to the Leon Brittan issue on BBC news, as he was the Home Secretary who was given dossiers back then.

whenim64 Sun 06-Jul-14 09:58:00

House of Commons furnace, more like, Nellie!

whenim64 Sun 06-Jul-14 09:57:08

Everything written in my post is in the public domain on numerous websites and in newspapers, Nellie. Today, the papers have started to name names. Wouldn't it be great if the names were fronted and invited to thrash out complaints in court?

A shout out for the Daily Mail (probably the only one you'll get from me, but....) who did this with the Stephen Lawrence murderers. More of the same needed now.

Nelliemoser Sun 06-Jul-14 09:53:47

Whenim Shredders perhaps? they could be used to dispose of confidential information quite well. That's just a hypothetical speculation of course.

Nelliemoser Sun 06-Jul-14 09:49:32

Do be careful what you say on here we don't want anyone arrested or GN closed down due to potential libels.

whenim64 Sun 06-Jul-14 09:46:16

I would like to know how 114 files can go missing. Were they the only copies? Who was under pressure at the other end, that copies can't be produced now? Did anyone secretly take copies home, knowing the files would be destroyed at government level? I want to see an investigation and public enquiry NOT conducted by Brirish Establishment. There needs to be an international team that undertakes such work - paedophile rings in government go across borders and the rumours that security services from various countries have blackmailed some MPs with the intelligence they have about their sexual activities make me feel pessimistic about further cover-ups being perpetrated within existing systems.

There has never been a better opportunity than right now to blow the lid off what has been known and rumoured for decades. When you have prominent MPs resisting progress, it needs a deafening demand from all of us to overcome the delays and cover-ups. Children have been killed, more have disappeared, unexplained fires have occurred, hundreds if not thousands of offenders talk openly about what they know or have heard from others - have been for years.

I hope Simon Dancsuk stays safe and has the support he needs, likewise Tom Watson. They are brave men who can obviously be trusted about what they are claiming.

tanith Sun 06-Jul-14 09:45:41

It seems there are 114 files that are missing/lost that warrants investigation whether the bottom of this particular barrel will ever be reached is highly unlikely IMO!

Nelliemoser Sun 06-Jul-14 09:45:18

Iam64(I am choosing my words carefully here.) It is good that it has now at least been widely mentioned that there have been previously expressed concerns. The carpet has been pulled back a little.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 06-Jul-14 09:41:55

Shall we wait until they "find" the dossier? Please!

Could be a long wait, I know.

Anniebach Sun 06-Jul-14 09:40:00

There were enquiries held into the North Wales children's homes abuse cases, files were lost, police had retired or died. Some arrests of staff but visitors ! named by the victims were never disclosed, the judge at the trial ordered they were not to be made public for fear the names! would sue

Iam64 Sun 06-Jul-14 08:47:44

This has been mentioned on the Rolf Harris threads, and wondered if others would be interested in discussing it.

The rumours have been circulating for well over 30 years and I hope a full, independent enquiry takes place.