Anti-Jewish double standards

Re 'distraction', a further point which is noticeable : I put this in a separate thread from the Gaza one.

It's not a distraction. It's an issue to discuss.

Thanks, bags for raising this issue. I had read the article but didn't post because i thought I'd said enough on the question of Gaza. Can I draw people's attention to the thread on Iraq and also to the news from Syria?

The situation in Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Syria, Libya, etc., is irrelevant. This is about the Palestinians, who have received scant support from anyone.

Are the Palestinians supposed to return to their ruined homes, their bombed hospitals and schools, their smashed power plant and roads, their maimed and dead families, and continue as before - still hemmed in on all sides, still subject to a blockade on all the things needed to live a reasonable life?

If they have nothing to live for, they may choose to continue with their desperate but ineffectual targeting of Israel. Perhaps that is what Israel wants in order to justify the obliteration of a people that has paid in land and blood for a historical atrocity for which they weren't responsible.

I might be on the wrong thread but I am of the opinion the action being taken by the Glasgow Council to fly the Palestinian Flag tomorrow is going to further the anti Jewish bile that has been evident and I feel very sorry for the Jewish community who are part, or thought they were, of Glasgow's society. A very slippery slope in my opinion.

I am saddened to see that Hamas has fired rockets into Israel after the ceasefire deadline.

Perhaps 'Tricycle' APPROVES of other governments/groups actions, perhaps they think that terrorising and murdering populations is the right and proper way to behave if those populations don't tow the particular religious line - provided it's not Jews doing it, then of course the moral high ground is immediately occupied, and lets face it... well, I won't go on as it would be too offensive, but I expect you get my drift! Double standards are alive and well, but then they always were!!!!!!

Thanks AKA Although I forgot to reply to the post; The Tricycle has a right to accept/deny funding as it likes, as are other groups.

I'm horrified if the news about Glasgow City Council flying the Palestinian flag tomorrow is true. Did they fly a similar type of flag when they heard about the 6 million Jews who died in WW2 ? Bet they didn't. Hopefully sense will prevail. Also how about the Christians in Iraq who are in danger of genocide ? At the hands of people who would support Hamas .

Tower Hamlets has been doing the same, and George Galloway has declared Bradford an Israeli free zone!!! Somewhere else (Wolverhampton?) is flying the black flag of Isis, and threatening anyone who dares to try to remonstrate with them - I think we need to be very focused as a nation as this sort of thing can spread and take over while the rest of us are sleepwalking.

You will find that almost every town/city council run by Asian Muslims [or mainly run] will naturally be behind the Palestinians and will like to try and fly the ISIS or Palestinian [or other flag.]It's up to central government to stop them.Local council is supposed to reflect the wishes of the people [and perhaps in some areas people here are behind ISIS or similar ghastly groups.]However, should they be allowed to show these flags? It's a point of law I suppose.I have no idea what is legal, I suspect an individual can fly any flag but can a local council? perhaps someone on here can tell us.

I hadn't heard about the other councils but if that is true the slippery slope I mentioned appears to be more of a concern than I initially thought.

I would find the flag of ISIS being flown over my council office, or indeed anywhere in the UK a downright bloody cheek and it's nothing short of a certain group of people throwing down the gauntlet to the people of the UK. That's exactly what they want though isn't it and some fools will say 'It's their human right'. Not in my book it isn't.

The propaganda war is well on it's way to stir the s--t and it the effect is not something I can say I am pleased to be witnessing. It certainly has echoes of the past.

Shouldn't we be careful about referring to 'Asian' Muslims, the majority of whom live in Indonesia and the Philippines? We know what is intended, but.......

Where's Tony Blair in all this? Is he still the middle east envoy?

ANN don"t be talking to me at least, about that dickhead person he is the PITTS.

What does a Middle East Peace Envoy do exactly?

Whatever it is TB ain't doin' it.

Impossible task is why. Blame tribalism rather than TB.

That is exactly what it is thatbags, and fearful as they were, Sadam and Gadhafi did keep the lid on tribalism, and dare I say it Assad too. I think the Kurds are the only ones to gain (which is brilliant) but most other people are definitely far worse off with these medieval monsters on the loose.

George Galloway - friend of that murderer Saddam Hussein , doesn't surprise me one bit. The local Synagogue has mounted some protection as they expect some trouble. We have two Synagogues in this town and most people have no idea where they are but could tell you where the churches are . That includes non-Christians knowing . Synagogues keep a low profile because in this day and age there is still a lot of anti-Semitism during more peaceful times. Whereas now is a frightening time for Jews because of these councils like Glasgow City.
I'm all for aid to those people injured in Gaza, like I do for those in Syria and I hope the Christians in Iraq are safe now the Americans are stepping in. To support a group that had Yasser Arafat at its head. The man who brokered the shooting of the Israeli Team in the Munich Games. The group that advised its people to dance in the streets and fire off guns with joy at 9/11 .
To fly Palestinian flags is showing your support of mass murderers .

I agree with you dorsetpennt, I hate this re-emergence of anti Semitism, and Councils, who represent all who they preside over should not express partisan views, that could encourage an anti Jewish backlash. That's not to say I am not aware of the injustices that the Palestinian people suffer

Again, like you I'm all for aid to the people injured in Gaza and for the plight of the persecuted minorities in Syria and Iraq. Do the same people who express anti Semitic views also feel outrage at the murderous activities carried out by ISIS, if that's what they are still called, who seem hell bent on dragging their part of the world back into some medieval hell.

I totally agree with the last two posters. Last night on Newsnight there was a Yazidi lady being interviewed. The situation these poor people find themselves in in truly dreadful and, from what she said, feel that the West (America/UK) should have acted far sooner to curb Isis - but the sad truth is that if this had happened the whole world would have accused them of warmongering, interfering in another countries affairs etc! in other words, damned if you do and damned if you don't! It's a no win situation. The UN is a complete joke (remember Bosnia!) from conception to the present day - the EU completely pathetic, and the world East of Italy(?) a complete nightmare. Where it will end God only knows.

Dorset Get the facts be fore you make sweeping statements. There are members of the Jewish community in Glasgow who are appalled at the actions of Israel and support the stance of their fellow Glaswegians.

Agus

I find that very difficult to believe but I will have to take your word as being honest. I would have thought the Jewish community would be very worried about the Palestinian flag being flown as it cannot be viewed as anything other than anti Israeli and that to some will be anything Jewish.

Dorset

I was a bit too timid in my post about the flag flying in Glasgow to say what I really thought so I will say I agree with your post too.

As I don't want any poster to assume they know my thoughts I will say this. Israel should not be allowed to build on any Palestinian land, end of. The UN should tell them it is not acceptable and if needs be buildings bulldozed.

Hamas should stop firing rockets into Israel and agree to a ceasefire, if they truly want to protect their children as they say.

It will never happen as Palestinians profess to hatred of all things Jewish be that the State of Israel or any Jewish person.

Israel has lost it's empathy to the extent it knows what being pushed out of your homeland means, they have had the experience after all. Israel has become a bully but does have the right, as any country does, to defend itself.

The UN is proving to be an impotent circus of useless s---s that will never agree on anything because of religion, politics and commerce.

Where does that leave us, the same old same old. What is happening as a result, the world and some people have learnt. nothing, nada, jack s--t , they are prepared to resurrect the bile and hatred of religious faiths and innocent people will always endure the inhumanity created by the aggressor and those who defend them believing they have a right to use force and murder to get their rights.

It's all way beyond sad.

The plight of the Palestinian nation is a very longstanding one and directly caused by the creation of the state of Israel... this is a political situation. It is not originally anything to do with the current growth of Islamist /Jihadi extremists. The worst thing for the Palestinian cause is the rise of this extremism.

As someone with Palestinian roots can I say clearly that I am not anti Jewish..I do not support any action against individual Jews/communities etc. I too worry that support for Palestine (e.g. flying the flag) is used by ultra right and Islamic extremists to fire up appalling anti-Jewish actions.

I do support any legal means to end the aggressive Zionist policies of Israel that means that the daily lives of the people in Gaza are made as difficult as possible (even before the current crisis) and families live in daily fear of IDF. I can understand how the people in Gaza voted for Hamas. When your life is so difficult and you are under embedded occupation you support whoever you feel may make life easier for you. It is not surprising that 'extremism' grows and develops given the circumstances.

Extremism in one direction breeds extremism in the other. Every "oppressor" "rebel" or "invader" killed by each side becomes a "martyr" "freedom fighter" or "gallant defender" on the other. Their deaths are avenged by what seems to the avenger to be a legitimate attack, but which then leaves another set of avengers in their turn. A vicious circle, or rather downward spiral.

I can't see any easy way of resolving the situation, or even any difficult ways that will give lasting peace.

Some of the Jewish community I have spoken to are more worried that the actions of Israel will be responsible for stirring up anti Semitic views.

I completely sympathise with what it must feel like to be Palestinian and to lose what had been your homeland for centuries because the imperial powers at the time, acted with out any foresight as to the trouble they were unleashing for future generations when they redrew the map. In doing so upsetting the delicate ethnic and religious balance that had prevailed in those different communities.

When I was very young 18 or so, I worked for a Jewish firm in London, I remember during a discussion about Israel, bearing in mind I was young and naive, I said something along the lines of "what about the Palestinians rights?" They pounced on me like a pack of wolves and I did get an insight there and then in to what might be described as a total tunnel vision as to their view of entitlement to what they perceive as their homeland, completely overlooking the displacement of the Palestinians. In every other way, they were wonderful to work for and I felt truly nurtured by them, bearing in mind I wasn't Jewish. Having been to Catholic schools in Surrey I hadn't met anyone Jewish before and I did feel mixing with them gave me an insight into their religion and their way of life. I think my parents always fostered the idea in my head that the Jews were a supremely talented and persecuted people. I know my mum was always haunted by what had happened to them during the war and I guess subliminally she passed those feelings on to me. Catholic guilt, justified no doubt in the RC church's own persecution of them too.

I think Israel and Hamas are both to blame for the current situation in Gaza. Meanwhile here in the UK, I do not think that councils, who represent all of the people that live in their boroughs, have any right to fly Palestinian flags. George Galloway's comments in declaring his constituency an "Israel free zone" are reprehensible, he is a public servant and should not be making such partisan statements and in doing so he is inflaming public opinion against Jewish people, who may or may not support Israel's actions.

The anti Semitism that is on the march in Europe is shameful whilst many of the hate crimes, including the shootings in France and Belgium have come from the Arab population, the far right is also responsible which is what you would expect from them, and we shouldn't be surprised when we climb into bed with such reprehensible bedfellows. As for the far left joining in, they might feel the have the moral high ground, but they demonstrate are no better than their fascist counterparts.