Rotherham Child Abuse

Let's not get too complacent about the UK's record on corruption, which may not be as overt as in other countries but which is nevertheless very damaging.

This was reported in The I newspaper earlier this year:

"The entire criminal justice system was infiltrated by organised crime gangs, according to a secret Scotland Yard report leaked to The Independent.
In 2003 Operation Tiberius found that men suspected of being Britain’s most notorious criminals had compromised multiple agencies, including HM Revenue & Customs, the Crown Prosecution Service, the City of London Police and the Prison Service, as well as pillars of the criminal justice system including juries and the legal profession.
The strategic intelligence scoping exercise – “ratified by the most senior management” at the Met – uncovered jurors being bought off or threatened to return not-guilty verdicts; corrupt individuals working for HMRC, both in the UK and overseas; and “get out of jail free cards” being bought for £50,000."

In The I last year:

"Besides MPs fiddling their expenses and Jimmy Savile's history of paedophilia, racing has been hit by Frankie Dettori's six-month drugs ban, we've seen London-based banks Barclays and UBS embarrassed by the Libor rate-fixing scandal, and BAE Systems has been investigated over its arms deals.
The police have become embroiled, too, with Detective Chief Inspector April Casburn jailed for offering to sell information to the now defunct News of the World and evidence of a cover-up on the Hillsborough disaster. And while none of our Prime Ministers have yet had to stand before a court, MPs including Jonathan Aitken and Margaret Moran have been convicted and Neil Hamilton famously lost his libel claim against Mohamed al Fayed over the cash-for-questions affair."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/the-corruption-of-britain-uks-key-institutions-infiltrated-by-criminals-9052617.html

Well said Joelsnan - the UK may not be perfect but we are long way from the kind of corruption in other parts of the world.

Those who speak of corruption in the UK must understand that this is minuscule when measured against the levels that corrupt Asian and majority African societies. If you think that UK is bad, you ain't seen nothing yet that is unless the growing imported corruption is stopped in its tracks.
One thing to view is Hansard or similar on the numbers and cultures of those prosecuted for vote rigging...scary!

I agree that we have a level of corruption in our society.

However, DH spent a few weeks travelling in India some years ago and was amazed that at the extent of it there. For instance when he went to a police station there to report a stolen camera, one of the policemen 'suggested' DH give him his watch!

Yes, don't let our understandable moral outrage about the events in Rotherham lead to us forgetting we still don't have the name of the person who will replace Lady Butler S in heading the enquiry ordered by Teresa May.

that's gone very quiet hasn't it - despite the fact that the labour Lord (see post by Pogs above) was named in the papers weeks ago. He is said to be suffering from dementia, and I read suggestions that as a result of that, he may not even be questioned about serious allegations of historic abuse.

Yes, whenim64, I think that you are spot on in your summary of corruption in the UK. It is covert and probably always has been. Recent revelations regarding elements of the Pakistani community are only part of much larger problems regarding corruption, abuse and crime.

Corruption hasn't been imported from Pakistan - it is alive and thriving amongst the predominantly white British establishment and has been so for many decades, indeed longer. Paedophile rings and child sexual exploitation round every corner and covered up by those at the top.

Simon Danczuk is doing a good job but when Jack Straw in the past has mentioned the cultural problems in the North he was hardly taken notice of. He was given a hard time speaking honestly even in Parliament by his own party side.

I am only talking about the North and Labour because that is the area both MP's are from and they are both Labour MP's and the council was Labour run. I know perfectly well there are areas in the South, Midlands and all parts of the UK who will have similar problems.

For example there was a case of a paedophile ring in Leicester in the 60's and 70's where it all surrounded an evil /:-) #>@ called Frank Beck who ran childrens homes. A very well known Labour MP now Lord was connected to the case but nothing came of it. This case has surfaced again very recently and I don't know the full in's and out's because it was mentioned then dropped by the press as I believe there is some sort of media blackout 'possibly' being imposed.

The point I am making is this was a predominantly white paedophile ring and there is nothing wrong in calling it as it is in Rotherham a predominantly Asian Muslim group of paedophiles.

It is just b----y sordid it makes you weep.

I have just read the Telegraph article highlighted by Notso. From all I have read here and previous articles, I gather politics in countries such as Pakistan are riddled with corruption and sadly this has now been imported into areas of the UK, hence the voting debacle in Tower Hamlets, I do wonder why that particular major is still there.

Possibly I'm being somewhat naive here, but I'd like to think that anyone who enters politics on whatever level would be there to represent all of the people that they would preside over and not one small section, but clearly that's a stupid assumption.

I have read about retired Labour MP Ann Cryer on many occasions and have always thought she was principled and brave, evidently unlike either KL or DMcS.

I am so relieved to see MPs like SD and TW getting their teeth into these allegations that child sexual exploitation is rife and not being addressed. It's been filed in the 'too hard to do' tray for too long and justifications made for not intruding on prominent people, ethnic minority communities, powerful and influential organisations, people in 'unimpeachable' positions of trust, men of God, care homes, criminals with the law in their pocket.......the list seems to be endless.

To hear that Ken Livingstone allegedly silenced Ann Cryer against a background of concern that they would be colluding with the likes of the BNP and EDL is the most nonsensical thing I've heard yet. Nothing should prevent allegations being investigated. I'd like to hear what KL has to say about this.

This current outcry where people are demanding answers and prosecutions could soon change into complaints that these allegations are history and should be let go to enable prosecutions of current abuse. I hope that doesn't happen this time. Organised crime and sexual exploitation of children are inextricably linked. Just because they are hard to tackle doesn't mean they shouldn't be.

So true, When, I read Simon Danczuk's book about Cyril Smith and I was impressed by his persistence and bravery.

I intend to start a thread about bravery in these sorts of circumstances

We need more politicians like Simon Danczuk and Tom Watson, who aren't afraid to keep talking about the extent of sexual abuse our children continue to suffer.

MP Simon Danczuk considers the role of the political culture of some Northern towns in this morning's Telegraph.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11066646/Rotherham-politics-imported-from-Pakistan-fuelled-sex-abuse-cover-up-MP.html

papaoscar, there have been few, if any, apologies and none of them have been pitiful and cringing, that's the problem. If they had been, at least it would have meant that those involved appreciated the dreadfulness of what happened and that they were devastated by the part they had played. All we have had so far are bland statements denying culpability.

It said in the DM today that police across England are planning rolling raids the country in the next 3 months to pick up thousands of men accused of exploitation. I wonder how many will be around to be picked up given that they have been given advanced warnings of what is planned.

They will want to have a watertight case with all the evidence in place before they prosecute all these people. The story is all over the papers but the paperwork to bring the prosecution may not yet be ready.

if they can prosecute Rolf, et al for historic child abuse, why are these men still walking the street?

Sadly*HDaze*, nor will I, but that's where the lead in all this should and must come from if progress is to be made.

As regards the Cliff Richard case it is remarkable that so many police turned up so quickly out of area to search an empty property. After all, Cliff is a very well-known public figure hardly likely to vanish. Bearing in mind the poor track record of this particular Yorkshire police authority I can only assume they were hoping to stack up some quick public credits, but that may just be a cynical view and I even haven't mentioned the leaking of information to the BBC yet.

Get off your backside, Cameron, and do your job!

Given the current behaviour within the Tory Party, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any action from him or his Party.

Has anyone given their view on why the authorities acted so quickly regarding Cliff Richard but not this more recent scenario? Just curious as to what other people think about that difference.

The pitiful, cringing apologies from all these highly-paid officials is nauseating. They have failed in their duty and should be replaced. The pressure to do that should come from the public and central government, whose duty it is to oversee and police these arrangements in the interests of even more vulnerable youngsters, and the public.. Get off your backside, Cameron, and do your job!

Just consider if the cultural context was reversed. I am sure there would be demonstrations in the streets and civil unrest. What will be done? ... "Lessons will be learned" will be spewed out again and nothing will be done.

Yet another example of blaming the victim

I don't think they want to get their heads round it either, aka. They just want someone (else) to blame. They are not fit to be in positions of responsibility.

On the news tonight an Asian Cllr, who'd told people a year or so ago that this was a 'one off' was being interviewed. He put the blame on the parents saying they ought to know where their children are and what they are doing.

I don't think people like this have got their heads round the facts that these were children. Rebellious children, Looked After Children, naive young girls (and boys?) and that the guilty ones are those ho deliberately groomed them and led them into this life.

So, does anyone think that anything is going to come of this.
They have all hunkered down in their offices, no one is talking to anyone, destroying as much evidence as the can. Conclusion, nothing.

I was talking about the general principle in any area of consulting with a variety of community groups - I didn't mean it to come across that I was just talking about ethnic communities.