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What sort of federalism would you like for the UK?

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Gracesgran Sat 20-Sept-14 09:06:38

I'm afraid that what I am seeing reported is the old parties yet again trying to manipulate things for their own sake.

I heard this morning that we have counties with bigger populations than some US states; why should they not have more of the running of their own areas. Large cities can almost certainly do better for their population than London can.

Some of the politicians raise the point that, in a vote in the North East for an assembly there was a resounding "no". Yet again many of the old parties politicians were negative, telling everyone that it meant another layer of administration. Does it need to be? Perhaps we could build on the councils. The new level could send a number of MPs, proportional to those voted on to their council/assembly, to the UK parliament (situated out of London) from all the UK. England may decide to have a parliament as Scotland does but do we really need one?

I really hope we are seeing the death of the old parties and a grouping system where a "Yorkshire Right" joins with a "London Right" member and others wanting the same ends (obviously this could be left or any other group they stand for) and so on in a group to get what they want for their county/assembly in a UK parliament, regrouping for different needs.

Probably not in my life-time though sad

durhamjen Fri 19-Sept-14 22:52:15

He could promise to dual the A1 for us for a start.

durhamjen Fri 19-Sept-14 22:51:12

Lots of European countries are as small as Scotland, and they manage on their own. As Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are capable of running their own affairs, I do not see why the North, the South West, the Midlands, should not be capable.
If Scotland can be given lots of extra powers, the rest of England should be given the same.

The vow that the three parties gave to Scotland was "The UK exists to ensure opportunity and security for all by sharing our resources equitably across all four nations."
Lots of reports in the North East and the North West show that is not true.
However, I do not want Westminster to wriggle out of its vow to Scotland by Cameron being allowed to say he will only give Scotland what he promised when England and Wales are ready to be given the same "permanent and extensive new powers".

Gracesgran Fri 19-Sept-14 22:36:57

Thank you so much granjura. As you say, a bit along the lines I was thinking but it is good to see it laid out like that.

granjura Fri 19-Sept-14 20:23:08

A bit like this:

www.ch.ch

Definition

Federalism is a system of government in which power is shared between the central state and several federal regions. The laws of the central authority apply to the whole country, whereas those of the federal states apply only to a specific region of the country. Depending on the country, these federal states enjoy power to a greater or lesser extent.

Apart from Switzerland, other countries with a federal system include Germany, Austria, Belgium, the USA, India, Australia and Brazil.
The Swiss federal state

Switzerland has been a federal state since 1848. Authority is shared between the Confederation (central state), the 26 cantons (federal states) and the 2352 communes (status 1.1.2014). Each of these three levels has legislative powers (to draw up laws and regulations) and executive powers (to implement them). The Confederation and the cantons also have judiciary powers (courts), to ensure that the laws are enforced.
Powers

The Confederation’s authority is restricted to the powers expressly conferred on it by the Federal Constitution. All other tasks (for example education, hospitals and policing) are the responsibility of the cantons, which thus enjoy considerable autonomy.

The communes have tasks which are expressly assigned to them by the Confederation or by the canton to which they belong, but they can also legislate when cantonal law does not specifically refer to issues that affect them directly.

granjura Fri 19-Sept-14 20:21:19

That's about it. Although a lot of work is being done to harmonize the education system to facilitate mobility from C/Kanton to C/K, etc.

Gracesgran Fri 19-Sept-14 20:09:40

Do you know how it is set up granjura?smile I am assuming equal size states/assemblies/counties with an overall parliament to look after the things that must be nation wide.

granjura Fri 19-Sept-14 20:00:31

Switzerland is much much smaller and is a true federal state.

Mishap Fri 19-Sept-14 19:48:36

I think that the UK is really too small for true federalism. The track record of local authorities is not brilliant, but they are often struggling with under-funding from central government. There might be a case for greater powers of local income generation via taxes (with a reduction in income tax) so that the expenditure can be geared to local needs. Some of the funding formulas are unacceptable. My county has the lowest central government funding allocation for education in the country - I do not know the reasoning for that, but the results are clear.

Gracesgran Fri 19-Sept-14 19:35:21

This seems to be coming up in several other threads so I hope is OK to ask the direct question. smile