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Oscar Pistorius sentence

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sunseeker Tue 21-Oct-14 11:35:10

He has been sentenced to 5 years in prison but could apparently be out in 10 months.

Grannyknot Tue 28-Oct-14 18:01:11

The National Prosecuting Authority in South Africa have officially announced that they are lodging an appeal against the verdict. If granted, the entire case will be heard again by a different judge.

Grannyknot Tue 21-Oct-14 22:36:27

dj his uncle is an extremely wealthy man. The Pistorius side of the family are all wealthy - Oscar didn't benefit from it growing up though because he was raised by his mother as a single parent from when he wads 6 (till she died when he was 15) and they lived in comparatively poor suburbs. As an adult it appears he grew closer to his dad's family.

durhamjen Tue 21-Oct-14 22:15:14

Didn't he have to sell his house to pay for his legal fees? I thought I heard somewhere that he is living with his uncle.

MaggieP Tue 21-Oct-14 22:13:46

I watched it all too this morning and think the judge got it right, as did Reeva's Parents. OP will still have to remain under house arrest even after 10 months. He is a ruined, broken man whatever the outcome. It's a tragedy for all concerned.
So much televised courtroom must surely make us all judges and jury long before the final outcome!

Grannyknot Tue 21-Oct-14 22:02:57

roses - she did.

rosesarered Tue 21-Oct-14 21:24:58

I think the judge got it right.

GrannyTwice Tue 21-Oct-14 21:18:01

It's nothing to do with Empire- I have and will continue to pass comments on judicial systems of a whole range of countries - I had a lot to say about the German system that allowed the doctor who caused the death of a man in the UK whilst he was working over here to escape facing justice in our courts.

Gracesgran Tue 21-Oct-14 21:08:21

merlotgran I don't think I did "jump on" anyone. I asked a question.

You say you think he should serve the full five years - I imagine you mean in prison as he will be serving this period of time. He has been given the maximum sentence under South African law and I (just my opinion) do see shades of the Empire when we try and tell a country that has struggled hard to escape the situation we made for them how their judicial system should be run.

Grannyknot Tue 21-Oct-14 18:35:56

BBC news (Sports) reports his psychiatrist as saying it is unlikely that he will ever compete as an athlete again.

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/29701616

GrannyTwice Tue 21-Oct-14 18:01:21

Also, house arrest in his house might be a slightly different experience from
House arrest in a one bedroom flat

GrannyTwice Tue 21-Oct-14 17:58:37

I'm not sure that how her family feel about it can be the sole measure of how a sentence is judged. Punishments are not just about how the victim's family feel but about the message that goes to the wider society about how particular crimes are judged in that society. I also think we are perfectly entitled to pass commenton the judicial systems of other countries

henetha Tue 21-Oct-14 17:37:52

I honestly think that justice has been done in this very difficult case. No-one will ever really be able to prove whether he did intend to kill Reeva or not, there is simply no evidence. And if Reeva's family are satisfied with the sentence then that is good enough.

AlieOxon Tue 21-Oct-14 17:25:40

It seems right to me.

merlotgran Tue 21-Oct-14 17:16:59

gracesgran. People will be discussing this and voicing their opinions all over the country and beyond. Why are you jumping on anyone who has an opinion you don't agree with?

I also think he should serve the full 5 years but what do I know hmm

Gracesgran Tue 21-Oct-14 17:11:57

What do you know that the judge that listened to all the evidence, doesn't numberplease?

numberplease Tue 21-Oct-14 16:49:08

He should still at least serve the 5 years in prison, if that`s what he was sentenced to, but it wasn`t long enough, even then.

whitewave Tue 21-Oct-14 13:37:49

Some of the commentators in SA suggested that OP may have had a lighter sentence (re all the comments above) but that the general population in SA may not have stood for it and the judge took this into account. This suggests that perhaps the general population 85% thought him guilty of murder.

tanith Tue 21-Oct-14 12:42:23

To me the Judge seemed to take many things into account and did say that she knew that her judgment would not please everybody.

I think the judgment was fair as did Reeva Steenkamps family.

Gracesgran Tue 21-Oct-14 12:29:56

Merlotgran it is not parole. If you continued to watch they explained that it really is house arrest. Perhaps we should do more of this as it would save us a lot of money smile.

Gracesgran Tue 21-Oct-14 12:27:59

When it came to judging his guilt or innocence Grannyknot(determined of course by the evidence and not what the papers said smile) one commentator, a South African lawyer, said that the judge system was better when deciding on the actual guilt or innocence because this was decided on facts alone. Whereas a jury may be better when deciding about "whether a reasonable person" (not sure if that is right but it will be close) would behave in a particular way which, once he was found to be guilty of their equivalent of manslaughter, determined how responsibly he had acted.

merlotgran Tue 21-Oct-14 12:18:58

We watched it live this morning and I got the impression that OP would be eligible for SA's version of parole after 10 months but it's by no means certain that he'll get it.

It does seem a light sentence but then his career is effectively over and I doubt his 'celebrity' status will gain him any favours in prison.

Grannyknot Tue 21-Oct-14 12:16:36

gracesgran I also read that the justice system in South Africa has moved to a more restorative approach since the end of apartheid. And also that the judges themselves actually appoint the assessors, they can be experts in a particular area, advocates, magistrates or even legal academics. It is an interesting system.

I feel that it is just.

Gracesgran Tue 21-Oct-14 12:08:45

That's really interesting Grannyknot. I was one who wondered how the system worked and if it was as "just" as ours. I have been very impressed with how it worked and the countries own insights into where it may not work as well. In other areas, it seemed to me, especially reading some of the insightful comments about juries we already seen on this thread, that justice may be better served in this way.

Gracesgran Tue 21-Oct-14 12:04:20

Well thankfully Sunseeker, neither you or I were the judge.

As I said you are wrong. He will not be "out" in 10 months; he will be under house arrest. I have just been listening to what house arrest means - I assume you have found this out too. It seems to me that it is no soft option.

Also, I do not think we should be telling other countries how to run their judicial system.

sunseeker Tue 21-Oct-14 11:54:04

Gracesgran Like I said out in 10 months. He will be under correctional supervision at home. Not long enough in prison for the manslaughter of a young woman.