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They still don't get it

(195 Posts)
MiceElf Tue 02-Dec-14 18:33:35

Claridges that is. A breastfeeding mother was instructed to cover up by a waiter who appeared with a large table napkin to hide the baby and mother.

Apart from the fact that this violates the terms of the Equalities Act, it's amazing that these attitudes still persist in some ghastly institutions.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 03-Dec-14 18:24:06

Probably just pleased so many people have come out on her side. (she doesn't look the sort to be thrown easily)

absent Wed 03-Dec-14 18:33:23

It doesn't seem like the sort of story that a newspaper would bother to pay for. Not all newspapers stories – even in the tabloids – are bought.

Soutra Wed 03-Dec-14 18:45:45

Why on earth assume people are only ever interested in "the money"? If she has tea in Claridges every year as a treat for her mum and other family members maybe she doesn't need it.

petallus Wed 03-Dec-14 18:52:11

That's true Soutra although when has having plenty of money stopped people from wanting more?

I've just noticed there's a smaller article in The Times as well.

absent Wed 03-Dec-14 19:32:57

Never mind the breastfeeding – I have no time for Claridges. I really dislike having tea somewhere and then finding a 12.5% service charge has been added to my bill. If the service was good, I'll tip the person who provided that service. If the service wasn't, I see no reason to enrich the owning consortium any further when I've already paid well and truly for my sandwich, cake and cuppa. There are hotels in London – or at least there used to be – that don't do this.

jinglbellsfrocks Wed 03-Dec-14 19:35:01

I so agree with that. Even bloody Pizza Hut add 12% without a by your leave. hmm

sunseeker Wed 03-Dec-14 19:51:13

Not having had children I have never encountered this problem personally but given the choice, I would rather a mother fed her baby than have the child screaming the place down!

Deedaa Wed 03-Dec-14 22:10:31

In 1918 my grandmother breastfed my mother in a railway carriage in the presence of a man who was a complete stranger. Afterwards he complimented her on how discreetly she had done it. He was also probably very glad that he would not have to spend the whole journey listening to a screaming baby! It begins to look as if we are going backwards rather than progressing.

elena Thu 04-Dec-14 12:40:46

The pictures in the papers were taken on a camera phone by the mother's companions, at the time....no reconstruction. She did not contact the media - they contacted her, after she tweeted about this ridiculous policy. I doubt very much she got any money for the stories in the papers.

A breastfeeding baby is eating. That's all. Just like anyone else needs to eat smile No need for comfy rooms or chairs or special corners of a restaurant - though if they are there on offer for mothers who prefer not to risk criticism from bad-mannered others, then that's fine.

petallus Thu 04-Dec-14 13:50:08

Should there be an age limit for the child I wonder? Some breastfeed until the child is several years old.

Of course, most people in our culture would not be offended by breastfeeding in a restaurant. I wonder if Claridge's were concerned about other wealthy visitors who might be.

Actually, Claridge's don't object to breastfeeding anyway, I remind myself.

elena Thu 04-Dec-14 14:22:19

In law, there is no upper age limit, petallus. Anywhere the mother and her child are permitted to be - in this case, the restaurant - breastfeeding is protected.

So few mothers breastfeed beyond toddlerhood, I don't think the issue of whether or not to 'ban' it in older children in public places is ever likely to arise.

The ironic thing is that the two photos showed very clearly that the act of breastfeeding was far more explict with the napkin over the baby! So anyone objecting to breastfeeding would be unlikely to have noticed.

Many other cultures - including those with severe expectations of dress and behaviour - have no problem with breastfeeding in a public place. Which cultures were you thinking of?

MiceElf Fri 05-Dec-14 16:42:10

And three guesses who has come out in defence of Claridges?

Yes, it's that well known joke, Nigel Farage.

petallus Fri 05-Dec-14 16:47:28

Is there a link?

merlotgran Fri 05-Dec-14 16:52:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2861994/Put-baby-corner-Farage-tells-mothers-not-openly-ostentatious-breastfeeding-babies.html

Here it is.

NotTooOld Fri 05-Dec-14 16:52:39

Well, personally I wouldn't go into Claridges on principle but of course mothers should be able to breastfeed their babies where they need to. Why are we so prudish in this country?

petallus Fri 05-Dec-14 17:37:12

I wonder why there is such confusion and controversy about the female breast.

Okay to expose it to feed an infant, not okay walking down the High Street or on page 3.

As the owner of a pair, I sometimes wonder what all the fuss is about.

granjura Fri 05-Dec-14 18:20:19

Were breastsmade for page 3? (a big difference, perhaps- what are breasts for?).

Can't stand Farage, and very probreastfeeding- but his comments are blown out of proportion. Makes sense to me that BF mums can sit 'in a discreet' corner when BFeeding- not to hide, but out of courtesy. I do object strongly to mums having to sit in WCs to BF though.

absent Fri 05-Dec-14 18:42:10

Nigel Farage –hmm. Isn't he the man who said that women should spend more time cleaning behind the fridge?

Ana Fri 05-Dec-14 18:45:46

No. That was some other UKIP member (though I think he may be an ex-member now).

petallus Fri 05-Dec-14 18:59:17

Breasts are obviously for breastfeeding but is that all?

granjura Fri 05-Dec-14 19:04:06

no- of course not- but certainly not for Page 3 ...

petallus Fri 05-Dec-14 19:12:23

I auppose the difference is page 3 has overtones of eroticism and breastfeeding (hopefully) does not.

Riverwalk Fri 05-Dec-14 19:13:09

I think it's time for Nigel Farage to come on to Gransnet for a little chat. smile

granjura Fri 05-Dec-14 19:27:41

Personally I've never considered page 3 erotic in any way, I have to say.

Breasts are indeed very erotic- but then surely not in public places?

merlotgran Fri 05-Dec-14 19:33:24

Nigel Farage and Russell Brand are both on Question Time next week. Can't stand either of them but should be lively!