Is the NHS safe in Tory (or Labour) hands

A&E in Kent in trouble. Is it right that all the staff have to cancel days off and holidays in order to make it work?
Are people in other jobs expected to do the same?

www.kentnews.co.uk/news/kent_s_a_es_in_crisis_1_3919995

Meanwhile, Labour's woeful NHS record in Wales continues...

Labour's mismanagement of NHS in Wales

Could you not find something more up-to-date, Ana?
Like this from the BBC on Saturday?

"However, the health minister defended how the service in Wales was treated, amid criticism that NHS budgets have not been given the same protection as those in England.

Mr Drakeford said the approach in Wales meant that social care budgets had benefited, and as a result no hospital A&E department in Wales had been forced to close its doors due overwhelming patient demand - unlike some hospitals in England recently.

"We have been able to work with our social services colleagues, working incredibly hard with us to discharge people from our hospitals, find beds for them in care homes and nursing homes," insisted the minister.

He said attacks on the Welsh NHS came from people across the border who were "only interested in making political capital from it"."

Reinforce Offa's Dyke - keep those conspirators Djen mentions out!
All is top notch with education and the NHS in Wales! It's all a big lie!

Of course, some who live here may think differently.
They may notice that the NHS budget has not only not been protected, it has been cut by the Labour government.

Meanwhile, across the border in England:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913987/Labour-s-private-hospital-stitch-Shocking-evidence-Left-sabotaged-NHS-success-story.html

but it is not a political football - it's just "Labour's main card".

Djen I thought you meant that ana had linked something from years ago that was out of date, in fact it is a current report - latest findings!

It's this month, but 1st January, which means last year. All I was saying is that there are more up-to-date articles about the Welsh NHS., and from something not quite as biased as the DM.

I agree the CQC should be looked into as a whole. I note the DM article about Hinchingbrooke did not mention that David Prior was the chairman.
That needs looking into, as do all the governing body, and their connections with private healthcare.

durhamjen

I don't follow what you are saying.

Why are you saying Ana has put forward a link to something out of date. Your post of Jan 20. 00.11 doesn't make sense. What point do you not understand Labour runs the NHS in Wales and it is not fairing any better than England and has no right to persist in the lie Labour is the Saviour of the NHS.

Is this also out of date information in your opinion.

A&E waiting times Nov/Dec 2014

England 92.6%
Scotland 93.5%
Wales 83.8%
N. Ireland 80.5%

Norman Smith from the BBC was interviewing Jeremy Hunt re e.mails from viewers and gave him right old stick. Then when the interview was over he said "To be fair most e.mails were in support of the NHS".

A & E waiting times Dec / Jan 2014/2015

England 89.8%
Scotland - awaiting their figures
Wales 81%
N. Ireland 76.7%

You are on a hide to nowhere if you and the Labour Party continue to poke the finger of blaim at the coalition government only.

As Miliband has stated Labour wants to 'WEAPONISE' the NHS . personally I think that's been going on for the entire term it has been out of powerpower by Labour and by it's supporters.

The NHS is suffering from many problems that would be happening under any government of any colour. The NHS has horror stories under past and present governments. The NHS will continue to have positive/ negative reports under any future government because it is trying to knock a square peg in a round hole.

An example, there has been an increase of 20.000 people A WEEK going through A & E doors in 2014 . The equivalent of requiring 9 extra hospitals.

It is also a fact some NHS Authorities have coped better than others .

By the way with regard to your question concerning any other jobs having their days off and leave cancelled the answer is yes. My hubby was a policeman and it happened on a regular basis. Demonstrations, football games etc. etc. It was and probably is now 'how it is'. There was no point in moaning if you didn't accept it then you left the job.

An example would be the Kegworth Air disaster, ambulance, fire, police, hospitals even AA patrol men gave their time without thinking of money nor time so it does happen in other professions. I think it's a sense of duty and knowing you are the only ones who can deal with it that makes such people special .

I agree it is not sustainable day in day out on a permanent basis so it will be interesting to see if things calm down now doctors surgeries have reopened from the Xmas period but there are so many factors that can contribute to the problems facing the NHS .

Durhamjen, in the private sector people pitch in regularly if there is a rush for some reason or other.
Actually, what happens more often in small businesses, is that staff know not to even bother asking for time off in busy periods. They know when they apply for jobs there, or else are told, that it will not be possible to have your holidays in August, or December or whatever. It is routine.

You state that the DM is biased Djen. They do seem to dig out the truth and do appear to be on the side of patients. So if being on the side of patients displays bias, then yes, they are.

Would you claim that the Guardian, whose links you use fairly frequently, is unbiased?

I read both and have used links from both, so have no axe to grind.

Civil servants pitch in and work extra unsocial hours too when there is a need (at least we did).
Most people refer to it as 'overtime'.

A 'more up to date report', just for durhamjen!

Ed turns blind eye to labour's dismal NHS record in Wales

As the title of this thread is 'Is the NHS safe in Tory (or Labour) hands?' I think any information is useful, whatever source it comes from - as you say, rosequartz, we have plenty of Guardian and BBC links putting one point of view forward.

The last Labour government has a history of shame regarding the NHS and unfortunately the present Labour MPs consist of mainly the same people.
I don't know how they can look people in the eye and claim to be the saviours of the NHS.

It doesnt bode well when they struggle to get it right in Wales.

I think that the NHS is patchy. Some areas and hospitals seem to be brilliant, others are appalling, in Wales too.

Hinchinbrooke Hospital, by many accounts, was doing well until this report by people with hidden motives; if you start fining hospitals then funding for the patients will be cut which seems to me to be self-defeating.

A debate on 21st January, asking for an extra £2.5 billion for the NHS.

That this House
notes comments from leading experts that the NHS is under unprecedented levels of pressure and that this is putting patient care at risk;
further notes that attendances at hospital A&E departments increased by 60,000 in the last four years of the previous Government and 600,000 in the first four years of the current Government;
believes that this is linked to decisions taken by this Government, including cuts to adult social care, the abolition of NHS Direct, the closure of almost one in four walk-in centres and removing the GP access guarantee; and
calls on the Government to match the Labour Party’s plans to raise an extra £2.5 billion a year for the NHS, funded by measures including a tax on properties worth over £2 million, to help ease the current pressure and ensure that the NHS is fit for the future.

All Tory and Libdem voted against it, except for one Libdem MP. If Libdems had voted with Labour it would have been passed.
That's the first time I have seen such a direct comparison of A&E figures.

I find this very sinister.
When the idea of care.data was first brought in we were told we could opt out of sharing our information with companies such as insurance and private healthcare. It now appears that if you did that, it might not be possible to have bowel cancer tests or prescriptions online. This sounds like blackmail to me.

pulsetoday.msgfocus.com/c/12gjftglUX4emXIhc82ikYRw

The most up-to-date report yet about NHS Wales.

t.co/xMHxjR7IU6

I find the results of the ICM/BBC Wales poll puzzling. Unless the people who responded have had experience of treatment in both Wales and England, they're just guessing as to where treatment is better.

Or rather, whether the NHS performs better in England than Wales, or vice versa.

Perhaps the Welsh figures have been 'massaged' ? Possibly by a foreign nurse. Doing overtime.

But it's basically just the results of an opinion poll. They don't say who was polled, whether they'd had experience of NHS treatment in England as well as Wales, or even at all!

I just don't understand how it can be given any credibility at all.

ICM Research interviewed a random sample, of 1,004 adults aged 18+ by telephone on 8-13 January 2015. Interviews were conducted across Wales and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.
It says at the end so I guess is as representative as any other poll?

Yes, but I think you've missed my point loopylou. How can a random sample of Welsh residents possibly give a considered opinion as to whether the NHS performs better or worse in Wales than in England?

It isn't a report, is it. It's an opinion poll.

The answers will be based on people's experiences, thoughts and hearsay.
Not at all scientific in fact.

Thank you, rosequartz...

Not only unscientific, but positively misleading IMO.