Breaking News - Allegedly 10 people killed at office of satirical magazine in Paris

Does anyone else remember the Paris massacre in the early 1960s when French Police fired on (mainly) Algerian demonstrators and some of the population threatened to drown Algerians in the Seine?

Agus there is a problem with disaffected young Maghrebis in the tenements and slums of Paris. We had one of these youths stay with us for a month on a work exchange programme. He was 19. He returned to stay with us over the summer and got a job tomato picking. He told us quite a lot about life in these areas. This was 15 years ago and I can quite imagine him latching onto an extreme philosophy as a way of giving his life some meaning.

OK soon

I remember reading about a French rapper who was loud and vocal in song and speech against everything about France. He lived in one of those areas full of immigrants, and eventually took himself off to Morocco, the country of his ethnic origin.

He came back with a different story. The poor lives of most Moroccans, the corruption and hopelessness opened his eyes to how good he had it in France, if only you make the effort to take them.

So some Muslims might see themselves as victims, because they don't accept how good Western society is, compared with countries like Morocco.

No need to be rude as a way of avoiding my question.

You stated that Maghrebs have been living as 3rd class citizens for decades when in fact the approx 3 million Maghreb population of France were living in harmony with French natives until the Gulf War and its aftermath.

I was simply looking for an informed opinion from you but as that doesn't appear to be forthcoming I see no point in further discussion.

Sorry Agus. I may be coming across a bit snippy. I dont know actually. I shall go to bed!

I cant be doing with this conversation.
Read things up for yourself.

Have they been living as 3rd class citizens for decades?

Why Agus?

It's trending on facebook. Most people seem to think it's a robbery.

soon. What experience do you have of Maghrebis living in France?

But the DM link is later and implies that it is still ongoing.

Just found this online:

"UPDATE: Mayor of Montpellier confirms the hostage situation has been resolved with no fatalities
7:47 PM - 9 Jan 2015"

Maybe it's not connected?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2903897/Two-held-hostage-southern-French-city-Montpellier-siege-three-days.html

The mail online has it as breaking news.

I've got the rolling BBC news on and they have not said about Montpelier - where did this news appear Terribull?

Could be just a robbery though as it's at a jewellery shop.

2 more people being held hostage at a jewellers in the southern French city of Montepellier.

You can't possibly put that forward as an excuse, or even reason, for killing people.

Granjura.

That could be said of many races though couldn' t it over decades. They haven't turned into barbaric murderers and joined groups such as Boko Haram, IS or All Q.

I'm sorry but we have seen so many reports of teenagers and young adults from the UK and other countries who are known to have gone to fight because they have been 'radicalised'. They are not from broken homes, poor neighbourhoods, suffered racism and certainly not deprived of an education. We know they include doctors, students.

Why can't it just be accepted that there are people who are prepared to do evil deeds and not one inch of understanding should be afforded them. Evil is evil, these people have the mantra 'My way or death'

What granjura is saying is partly covered in the link I posted last night at 21.53pm last night.
They are treated as 3rd class.
Living as a 3rd class citizen for decades is bound to stir up resentment and worse.
No justification for murder though.

I guess the jihadists are not concerned about these people jingl, but just see them as ripe for radicalisation because of their dissatisfactions with the system under which they are living.

It could go some way to explain it, though, if they are disaffected youths who don't feel as if they 'belong' in French society. Brewing up resentment over the years, fuelled by views from more powerful others (who are never the ones to go off and commit these crimes or be suicide bombers, have you noticed?).

You really think these jihadists are concerned about the way ordinary muslims are treated in France? I don't think they are. You can't make them out to be some kind of people's heroes.

That's very interesting granjura.

Something similar was said in an article in the Guardian today.

Really, satire only works if it is aimed at the powerful in a society, not the underdog.

That is dreadful to hear granjura. How is it possible that they are not equal under the law? - it sounds appalling.

As someone else pointed out, colonialism is very much part of the toxic brew that has brought us all to this pass.