Breaking News - Allegedly 10 people killed at office of satirical magazine in Paris

Whoops. Apologies fro misspelling your name, Sara.

AAAAND _another_ superb article, this one by Allison Pearson. Feels good to be ideologically standing shoulder to shoulder with people who write so well and with so much understanding of the Real Problem. Hint: it's not free speech.

Sarah Khan is quoted in the article: "Sara Khan, director of Inspire, a counter-extremist Islamic forum, calls the Muslim “grievance narrative”. Despite living in European nations which afford them remarkable freedoms and benefits, Khan says many Muslims insist on seeing themselves as forever oppressed by the West. Permanently on the defensive, they lash out like angry children instead of wondering whether their attitudes could be part of the problem."

re gransnet
They said that it is fine for people to post where they want, and apologised to me for the misunderstanding they caused in a previous email.

As you were.

Yes exactly rosequartz It would appear that it's fine to preach hatred in the streets but heaven forbid a 4 year old should refer to his friend as being "brown"

It doesnt look like perumal muruagan was trying to incite.

Bringing it back to the OP.
However, there is a fine line between mockery and inciting hatred which is against the law (apparently).
It seems to apply to 3 year olds in nursery, 5 year olds in the playground, but not hate preachers.

We're back to the beginning now aren't we? Perhaps we've done this thread to death.

Saudi is an oppressive regime where brave people know the risks.
France is not and that is the difference. Terrorists cannot be allowed to decide on the parameters of free speech.

The Raif Badhawi thing is truly awful. Unforgiveable.

Oh no! Not another lot to start worrying about. Please!

for information only. Please

So they were not inciting?

No Charlie in Jedda either, where Raif Badhawi is due to receive his second whipping of 50 lashes today, as part of his 1000 lash and 10 years imprisonment sentence. His offence was to produce a blog.

What sorts of things did perumal murugan write?

In all the uproar re Muslims did people notice that Indian writer perumal murugan has had to quit and go into hiding due to death threats after publication of his latest book. All copies have been pulled and destroyed. The objectors are right wing Hindu and caste groups. India has a long history of banning books usually for offending religious or community sentiments. No Charlie there.

I wonder if the pope will have to end up stop being pope [I dont know if the catholic church works that way].

soon do you really not know that the previous pope, Benedict, resigned just last year?

Have I missed something*soontobe*, you say GNHQ want to be kept informed if the problem continued
What problem?

I also hope the comment about Pope Francis having "snookered himself" (whatever you meant) was a joke?

Hate is a destructive force.

I think the cartoon is quite simply ridiculing all those who now proclaim 'je suis Charlie'. Haven't the cartoonists said as much? - that they find it laughable that everyone now wants to 'be their friend' when they have previously never even looked at the publication. I don't think they're about to change from being a satirical magazine that holds nothing sacred (rightly or wrongly depending on your point of view) and start to publish conciliatory cartoons. If anything they are now more defiant than ever.

Crumbs, I wasnt meaning the pope!

People who incite dont feel very loved.

I wonder if the pope will have to end up stop being pope [I dont know if the catholic church works that way].
I think that he has totally snookered himself with that comment.
Awful.

absent, in which case I shall have to go back to gransnet. They wanted to be kept informed if the problem continued.

Also, I liked the way the Pope (bless him) condemned violence of any kind and then said that if anyone insulted his mum he'd punch them in the face!

There's a lot in a name. I hate the term 'Extremist Muslim'. I would prefer something like 'Supposed Muslim'. Or just 'Fanatic' as there seems to be little actual Muslim belief in them. 'Moderate Muslim' too is wrong. They are very strong in their faith and somehow the term moderate suggests otherwise. Perhaps 'Reasoning Muslim'? 'Authentic Muslim?

Maajid Nawaz: "Blasphemy is in the eye of the beholder".