Charlie Hebdo: are our leaders taking us for fools?

I don't feel I have been led to believe anything except that politicians were there to register their support for Charlie Hebdo and their disgust with the murderers. The amount of time they were there and where they were there is just unimportant detail. Of course national political leaders can't mix in with a huge throng like that when there are terrorists about.

Forgot Jehovah's witnesses.

The differences between some of these groups are massive. Oh and Creationists too- isn't the a Creationist Church school somewhere in northern UK. Menonites, Amish, too, but perhaps not in the UK but the USA.

Plymouth Brethren is a fundamentalist church which is very strict for members. The girls we had at our school had to wear long skirts and long socks, have long plated hair and long sleeves, and always wear a scarf- and were taken out of school at 15- and not allowed to stay on in the 6th Form.

I will let God decide.

I have Mormon friends. They are lovely people. Just a bit misguided. They believe some really wacky stuff. They regard themselves as Christians and I think they are.

The Book of M is very badly written as well as being total codswallop.

My computer seems to stick or something. Either that, or I take a long time thinking about some posts before I write them. The last post I was reading was Greenfinch's post.

I do hope you will watch this interview, which tries to explain why stereotyping, in this case Muslims, is not a godd idea.

youtu.be/PzusSqcotDw

soontobe Your post reminds me of the vicar preaching, "God says, and I am inclined to agree with him,…"

how do I blue the link to video interview, please and thank you?

soontobe is right. Methodists, Baptists, Sally Army, C of E, Quakers, Catholics.etc. etc. they're all Christians. I thought Islam was Islam. Still think that.

Which is, I am sorry to say, a very ignorant thing to do. Please watch the link- Islam in Saudi Arabia is as different to Islam in South Africa, or Indonesia, as Mormonism is to Catholics.

Here it is again (and just how aggressive can that woman interviewer be?)

youtu.be/PzusSqcotDw

Ignorant yourself Granjura. It's all the one religion. Different ways of following it.

I thought that it was common knowledge that charlie hebdo was in financial trouble so they had to do something big to up the circulation. We see it in the English Press with phone tapping, huge sums of money and Politicians up to their armpits, all to aid the circulation war.
Can we put the geni back in the bottle,yes we can by bringing back the Blasphemy Law and these little issues can be sorted out in Court.
a little respect for each would go a long way

Thanks for the link granjura.

jingle Hopefully you've now watched the link. I thought I was reasonably well informed but it certainly corrected some misconceptions I had.

jingl While there are terrorist attacks outside the Middle East, the main thrust of the Islamist militants of IS is to obliterate all Shia Muslim sites, force Shia Muslims to follow Sunni Islam (and a particularly strict and old-fashioned Saudi variety to boot) and establish a gigantic caliphate, thus reversing centuries of history. There are, indeed, many kinds of Islam and followers of each believe that their version is the true religion – just as some low church and evangelical Christians regard themselves as the only true Christians with no time for the scarlet whore of Rome, for example.

Eldest son and family live in Kuwait and I've met some of their Arab/Muslim friends. Very charming, cultured, generous.
I had a few converstions with one man about the biblical links between Jews and Muslims. The languages have much in common. He said they're taught that it was Ishmael who was almost sacrificed by Abraham, not Isaac.
Kuwait muslims are mostly Sunni.

You can't get away from the facts, most atrocities are carried out in the name of Islam.

I think it is important at this stage to point out that when Jesus comes, he will judge individuals.

Some christians worry that they dont quite agree with what their Head Office, or leaders say. The leaders or Head Office or whatever may be right or wrong.
But it is the individual that gets judged.

And that is why, for christians, the bible is central. Not the denomination of where you worship.

If my Methodist chapel were to close, I would probably go to the anglican church, because it is much nearer than my next nearest Methodist.

Exactly Jingl- just like Islam. I am sorry to have used the word ignorant, but if you refuse to listen to and look at the evidence- and just 'think that it's the way it is, so there'- then I'm afraid, it is ignorant. This is not personal, just plain fact.

The differences in belief between Christian groups are massive- it just can't be denied. Look at Creationists who take the word of the creation as truth word for word and totally deny Darwin's theory of evolution, And Jehovahs Witnesses who believe only a fixed number will access heaven, and not less, no more! etc.

If the next nearest happened to be Baptist, I would go there. If salvation army, I would go there.
2 or 3 others on that list, I would have to have a bit more of a look into, before I definitely went to them. I would see how near the weekly teaching at that place was, to the bible.

Look at the rôle of women in the Plymouth Brethren:

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

"1 The Head of every man is Christ – no equality. 2 The head of the woman is the man – equality and subjection. 3 The Head of Christ is God – equality, yet subjection."[42]

Thus most Brethren meetings reserve public leadership and teaching roles to men, based on 1 Timothy 2:11,12...:

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

Also, 1 Corinthians 14:34,35 states, "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (The reason for this has to do with acknowledging Headship: Headship and the head covering are seen by many as inseparable since the head covering is intended to teach the meaning of headship. See below for information on the head covering).

From this, Brethren teaching traditionally (there are regional exceptions) outlines a system in which the men take the "vocal" and leadership roles and the women take supportive and "silent" roles. In practical terms, what is traditionally seen is that the men are fully responsible for all preaching, teaching and leading of worship. Therefore, in most Brethren groups women will be heard to sing the hymns along with the group, but their voices will not otherwise be heard during the meeting. Often the men are, practically speaking, the only ones involved fully and vocally in all discussions leading up to administrative decision making as well. Within Exclusive groups in particular, matters up for debate may be discussed at special meetings attended solely by adult males called, in some groups, "Brothers Meetings".

The Head Covering:

As to the reason behind women covering their heads at meetings in some groups, 1 Corinthians 11:5,6 says:

"But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered."

The verse indicates that when a woman speaks in church (i.e. prophesies) she is supposed to have her head covered. The Brethren generally leave this part out in the meetings and have the women be silent while wearing head coverings.

For this reason, some meetings will be characterized by the women wearing head coverings ("loaners" in some assemblies are available at the back for women who have come without a covering). Head coverings typically take the form of a tam, beret or similar hat which can be more aptly described as a "head topping," rather than as covering the head in any real way. Sisters in Exclusive ('Jimite') gatherings quite commonly wear a headscarf or "mantilla" (a lace/doily-like Spanish veil) on their heads. It is a fairly common misconception that Exclusive women characteristically wear a shawl over their heads, though no doubt some women have sometimes resorted to this.

While that is an overly-simplified view of the head covering, understanding the purpose for the head covering comes from looking at 1 Corinthians 11:3&4, which says:

"3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoreth his head."

Magpie The fact that the extremists claim they are avenging the Prophet does not mean that Islam, and law-abiding Muslims, in some way endorse grotesque, brutal attacks of terrorism.
The vast majority of Muslims in this country align themselves with 'Not in my name'.

And the relevance of that is......?
Personal preferences do not explain the vast differences in practice and theology between denominations. Right or wrong, countless believers died for their own beliefs down the course of history in the UK alone.
Would you consider the local Roman Catholic Church then?
I wonder if you live in a very remote part of the country to even contemplate a pecking order of denominations you would favour!

We seem to keep moving back to the individual and personal inclinations , not the wider topic

Sorry- being a bit slow off the mark, my post was not addressed either to gj or janeA or their posts.