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21 beheaded by IS

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POGS Mon 16-Feb-15 10:12:46

Last night we heard of the beheading of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians by IS.

Now Egypt are bombing IS in Libya.

Is this the reaction IS has wanted or is it a rise from another Arab country that will gain momentum for Arab nations to do more in attacking IS. They need to IMHO.

Things are ramping up everywhere and it is all very worrying isn't it.

soontobe Sat 21-Feb-15 18:31:45

Is it right to bring up this thread again, because of its subject matter? It doesnt feel quite right. Perhaps it is better left. I think I will leave it.

soontobe Sat 21-Feb-15 18:28:05

The article does not differentiate between what is belived. And that is crucial.

Iam64 Tue 17-Feb-15 19:07:54

sorry, I meant got it right in the comparisons between any 'blind' faith or unquestioning belief in an ideology.

Iam64 Tue 17-Feb-15 19:07:06

Thanks to thatbags and mishap for their posts. I enjoyed the article and like others, feel it got it right.

soontobe Tue 17-Feb-15 18:47:11

Not sure that I am keen to disagree with about 7 different things in there.

I will do it at the weekend.

Mishap Tue 17-Feb-15 17:12:17

Which things in it were wrong soon?

soontobe Tue 17-Feb-15 17:01:29

Some things in that article are right.
And some are wrong.

What matters is what the person believes. Are they believing in peace. Or hate?

Daisyanswerdo Tue 17-Feb-15 14:15:22

They believe that killing any who they see as 'non-believers' will result in martyrdom and Paradise. Religion has a lot to answer for.

Mishap Tue 17-Feb-15 11:02:50

A good article indeed and gets to the nub of things. Whenever anyone says that a religion is behind an act of terrorism, believers jump up and down and talk about communism and fascism and the ills perpetrated in their name, as if that lets religion off the hook! The common factor, as this article points out, is blind faith, whether secular or religious.

As soon as we switch off our minds and stop asking and seeking, we run the risk of falling into this fundamentalist trap.

Most Christians amongst my friends are happy to admit that their faith is not blind; that more questions are left to be asked than answered, and I can deal with that. But blind faith to a tract, whether it be religious or political is indeed a dangerous thing.

As I have said several times, the danger with religion is that it deals in fundamentals (Why are we here? What are we meant to be doing with our lives? What happens when we die?) so, if it consists of blind faith, it has a natural tendency towards the sort of fundamentalism that we see being played out around the world.

thatbags Tue 17-Feb-15 10:11:34

This is a good article: what do all acts of terrorism have in common?

Anya Mon 16-Feb-15 22:51:09

Jingl it's interference well before 9/11 I mean. But re that failed child suicide bomber. I was crying with him. Poor misguided child, for that's all he was.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 16-Feb-15 22:17:54

and there have always been young men killed in the wars soon.

Mishap Mon 16-Feb-15 22:17:24

We cannot not know these things in our current world - head in the sand is very tempting, but not realistic.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 16-Feb-15 22:16:17

Yes mishap. It's the grandchildren we worry about isn't it.

soontobe Mon 16-Feb-15 22:14:59

I think it is important to remember that there have always been wars, and rumours of wars.

But we wouldnt have heard of most of them, like we do know.
That isnt a good thing in my opinion.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 16-Feb-15 22:13:26

God Almighty - the young IS bomber captured in Baghdad. Hardly more than a child. sad

Mishap Mon 16-Feb-15 22:07:08

I don't think we have any choice but to hold back in the west. The countries in the middle east should be the first defence against this. IS are trying desperately to draw the west in.

I just despair o0f the world my DGC might be living in.

Ref the media - of course they must report this, but the terrorists are using and manipulating this by their staged executions and use of social media.

merlotgran Mon 16-Feb-15 22:06:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31486879

I received this via facebook this morning. The Adenis haven't a clue what's going on and are seriously worried about their safety.

Trouble seems to be breaking out everywhere.

I've never even heard of the Houthis.

soontobe Mon 16-Feb-15 22:03:12

Obama could end up getting some blame for letting IS grow bigger, and kill more people.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 16-Feb-15 21:47:16

Hopefully the Middle eastern countries will overcome these people without western interference. Obama seems determined to hold back. I hope Hilary gets in after him. Hers would be a sensible pair of hands.

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 16-Feb-15 21:42:16

I think you are right Anya. But how could the west not interfere after 9/11?

Wheniwasyourage Mon 16-Feb-15 21:33:18

Anya, you've put it better than I have. Someone please tell me that I'm being too pessimistic.

Wheniwasyourage Mon 16-Feb-15 21:31:40

It's really worrying, I think, and the things these people do, whether IS or Boko Haram or whoever, are so appalling that I'm afraid that someone is going to have to fight back. I would rather it wasn't just the US and the UK and a couple of other European countries, as we seem to have a habit of making things worse, but I think it needs some leadership from the Middle Eastern countries. I fear for the future of our civilisations, not just our own, but Eastern and Middle Eastern ones as well. sad

Anniebach Mon 16-Feb-15 11:38:37

I find it all so hypocritical, the beheading of these people is horrific yet we have our future king and PM paying respects to a leader of Saudia Arabia where beheading is the punishment for practising Christianity

Anya Mon 16-Feb-15 11:23:16

Part of me is relieved that other Arab countries eg Jordan and Egypt are, at last, reacting to ISIL. This situation may, in fact probably does, all stem from interference by the West, in Middle East politics in the past.

Nothing can justify these barbaric beheadings.