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Green Party Manifesto and the Citizen's Pension

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rosesarered Tue 14-Apr-15 21:57:00

This is hilarious, so many people on here saying that their own party promises are wonderful but all the others are pie in the sky.

rosequartz Tue 14-Apr-15 20:26:37

It seems to me, magpie, that the Tories are offering pie in the sky. They have not funded their promises, have they? They are just saying trust me, like they did on the NHS the last time

Substitute Labour for Tory and it is equally true

durhamjen Tue 14-Apr-15 20:04:52

Three parties led by women could get together and have a sizeable influence on government policies, even the Green Party.
Those who rubbish the Green Party have not looked at how much Caroline Lucas has done in Parliament.

Gracesgran Tue 14-Apr-15 19:53:32

I agree jen but know we will be in the minority. The problem is that everyone has been brainwashed about what "economy" means. I have just seen Natalie Bennett being interviewed. She quoted the Spirit Level saying that more equality benefits the rich too.

You'd need a good imagination to believe the things the Greens promise could ever be implemented. You used to need a good imagination to believe the things the Lib Dems aimed for could ever be implemented Ana but much of what the Conservatives are lauding in the "what a clever party we are" vein came from the Lib Dem manifesto and was originally rubbished by the Torys.

durhamjen Tue 14-Apr-15 19:39:47

"The Green Party believes that equality is more important than growth."

That sums it up for me. That'll do.

durhamjen Tue 14-Apr-15 19:36:06

All of it? And not skimming like Gracesgran and me?
What do you think of page 8?

Ana Tue 14-Apr-15 19:29:16

You'd need a good imagination to believe the things the Greens promise could ever be implemented. And yes, I have read their manifesto.

durhamjen Tue 14-Apr-15 19:25:58

https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/manifesto/Green_Party_2015_General_Election_Manifesto.pdf#page=8&zoom=auto,-107,715

This is a good page, Gracesgran.
However, you need imagination, which I have in abundance. I think you do too.

durhamjen Tue 14-Apr-15 19:20:15

It seems to me, magpie, that the Tories are offering pie in the sky. They have not funded their promises, have they? They are just saying trust me, like they did on the NHS the last time.

Gracesgran Tue 14-Apr-15 17:49:40

You are entitled to your view magpie123 but mine is that the two party system is falling apart and I am not averse to encouraging the process smile

Gracesgran Tue 14-Apr-15 17:48:03

That's how I read it Jen. Do read the other bits; I couldn't manage to type more. Yesterday I realise that although there were two parties I would not vote for I was still undecided between three others. I am reading the rest of the manifesto - well scanning really smile but so far I like what I see.

magpie123 Tue 14-Apr-15 17:44:45

Pie in the Sky! You can say anything when you've no chance of actually having to deliver.

durhamjen Tue 14-Apr-15 17:41:41

I have often said that the National Insurance upper threshold should be abolished. It has never made sense to me that those who earn most should pay less NI on their top rate of pay.

If I read this correctly, it means that there should be no need to claim pension credit, which again I think is right. Many pensioners do not claim because of the amount of intrusive information needed on the forms.

Gracesgran Tue 14-Apr-15 17:32:54

I know not all Gransnet members are pensioners but all will be one day so I thought this may be of interest. This opens out as a pdf document so you will need Adobe to read it. The Adobe reader is free and is on most devices these days. I reduced it to 100% as it took a while to scroll through otherwise.

https://www.greenparty.org.uk/assets/files/manifesto/Green_Party_2015_General_Election_Manifesto.pdf

The bit about the Citizen's Pension is on page 56.

Citizen's Pension
The bedrock of our pension policy is the Citizen's Pension which, unlike the new flat-rate pension, would be paid to all pensioners regardless of their contribution record, and to existing as well as new pensioners, so no pensioner will live in poverty. We would introduce this in 2016. It will pay £180 a week to a single pensioner, or £310 for a couple taking all pensioners above the poverty line. Increases will be at the higher of the increases in the prices of basic goods and services or in average earnings.

The existing State Pensions and Pension Credits cost £90 billion a year, while the new pensions above will cost £116 billion. The net cost is therefore £26 billion. We will fund this by reducing tax and National Insurance incentives for private pensions by one half, raising £20 billion (see the Older People and Pensions' section in Chapter 5) and using a further £6 billion available from abolishing the National Insurance upper threshold (see the Child Benefit section above)

NB: I couldn't copy and paste so I have typed this up so do look at the original to ensure accuracy. There is more about Older People and Pensions on page 29.