Conservative Manifesto

I AM CROSS!!!

There is durhamjen but not to be used in polite company. I dont think I have ever been so angry about anything in the political arena in my life, and I get riled up easily. Then no doubt the voters who think this is a great idea will be whining when their children and grandchildren cant afford anywhere to live.

My BP is rising by the day, and soars every time I see DC's smug face and hear the latest pronouncement. I've just been listening to some very worried and upset people with severe disabilities on the local news describing how their lives will change beyond measure when they lose their entitlement to the Independent Living Fund payment in June. What sort of a country are we that we can't take care of our most vulnerable people?

"The abiding sense of Conservative personality is that of irresponsibility. They have no sense of long term or common good. Their only ideas are short term electoral solutions, targeting a key group of voters to the detriment of everyone else. It's there in Help to Buy, in cuts for upper rate tax payers, in the married couples' tax allowance. Right to Buy is faintly more depressing because it isn't even original. It is a desperate gaze back to the good old days, like a sentimental old man getting misty-eyed over the love life he had in his twenties."

If you want to read the rest of this article, it's on www.politics.co.uk

My husband was an architect, too, GillT. He designed housing for housing associations. He would be appalled by this suggestion. It was bad enough selling off council housing and not allowing the councils to replace them.
Who actually pays the amount the buyers will save? Not the government; the taxpayers again, whether council tax or income tax. it's not the government's money to give away.

This argument is getting a bit one sided - where are those who would defend the indefensible?

This is just as worrying, doing away with the human rights act.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/04/14/cameron-hints-at-civil-liberties-crack-down-after-election

I do not see how he can call himself on the side of the workers at the same time as he is saying he will do this.

Wishing they hadn't started this?

Yoohoo I'm here! I've read the manifestos -all the jam tomorrow promised by all the parties, taken them all with massive pinches of salt and plan, this time, and for the first time to vote Tory. There I've said it. Sits back and awaits opprobrium!

What swung it for you Jane?

Anyone think this is fair?

nhap.org/nha-co-leader-standing-against-cameron-prevented-from-challenging-pm-over-nhs-at-local-hustings/

whitewave it was mostly because I have so little faith in any of the parties but the Tories looked least likely to build up debt for the GCs to have to pay. Also I really want to see the economy being built up.

I fear for the social unrest that these measures might bring, if they come to pass.

It's happened before, throughout history and could happen again. You can only push people so far. x

enjoy
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11536108/Election-2015-The-15-worst-sentences-from-the-Labour-Party-manifesto.html

have any of you read the Labour manifesto to compare

Re where are those who would defend 'the indefensible' the GN voting intention survey is interesting -plenty of Tory voters among us. Maybe we're the ones who don't tend to get involved in forum flare ups re politics just quietly vote our own way?

‘Right to Buy’ was deliberately not extended to Housing Association tenants by the Thatcher government. As a House of Commons briefing note explains:

“The rationale for exempting assured tenants from the ‘Right to Buy’ is based on the need for associations to provide security for private lenders. If these tenants were able to buy their homes, the value of an association’s asset base would gradually be eroded and their rental stream reduced; it was recognised that, in turn, this would make lenders cautious about backing them.”

In an attempt to allay fears about the impact on Housing Association balance sheets, the taxpayer rather than the association will pay for the discount to tenants under the Tories’ proposed scheme. Did you hear that, private tenants?

Your taxes will be used to subside a relatively small number of tenants who are already in secure, affordable accommodation to obtain a very valuable asset. Meanwhile you’ll have to carry on paying sky-high market rents for a highly insecure one-year tenancy. Does that sound fair?"

Even Thatcher would not extend right to buy to HA tenants.
Jane10, tax payers will be paying for right to buy HA tenants to buy their houses, giving some over £100,000 subsidy.
Your children will be paying for it.

Mollie, I bet you cannot find an article in the Telegraph to criticise the Tory manifesto. Could be because the owners are non-doms.

Jane, there was only 1% difference.

No right to buy in Scotland from 2016. Sensible lot the Scotts. Go Nicola! x

Just going out so can't stop to debate enjoy the evening ladies and gents if there are any on this thread!!

Owners of the Daily Fail are non doms as well. x

So many points on here. I will just start anywhere.
A thought has occured. May be it has been said elsewhere.
Could they be thinking to raise £8 billion, by selling off parts of the NHS first? And then using that money to put it into the rest of it?

Just watching C4 news - Jon Snow made the point that some of these ludicrous unfunded bribes promises are just being made so they can be traded when the inevitable coalition negotiations start. And BTW I thought the use of the word zealot was cheap - IMO those of us who are left of centre tend to be much more thoughtful, considered and certainly better informed than those on the right

You could be right on the first part GrannyTwice.

I meant Durhamjen that there are a lot of us not necessarily a majority. I'm leaving this thread now as the relentless attempts at points scoring are among the things that have turned me off from current politics. Bet I'm not alone. Bye!

"There is £8 billion more a year for our NHS”

This actually refers to the Conservatives’ pledge on future funding for the NHS. If the NHS in England makes no efficiency savings and funding rises only with inflation, the estimated funding gap will be at £30 billion by 2020/21.
If it makes savings of 2-3% that gap falls to £8 billion.
Some have questioned how likely it is for this more optimistic savings target to be achieved.
If the NHS doesn’t make £22 billion in savings then the next government will need to pledge more than £8 billion in order to close the funding gap, or the quality or quantity of services will be at risk.

table draft 5

“[In the last parliament] we were […] able to expand every year the money for the NHS”

Health spending rose in each year from 2010/11 to 2014/15.
Over the whole period it went up by £5.5 billion from £108 billion to £113 billion. These are all in 2014/15 prices.
Population growth outpaced health spending between 2010/11 and 2012/13, so health spending per person fell by 0.4%.
Costs are also rising. The number of over-65s will be up by 10.7% over this parliament, and spending on retired households is nearly double that on non-retired households."

This is what Full Fact has to say on the Tory pledges about the NHS.
If you want to see the rest of the facts the article is on www.fullfact.org

That's pie in the sky if anything is. Actually, they will privatise the NHS.

Have I got this right:
a. Councils will be forced to sell off their best council houses (largest, poshest postcodes etc) on open market when it becomes available.
That money will be used (by whom?) to build "affordable" homes. Presumably for private sale. (to first time buyers? to buy to let landlords?)

b. Meanwhile (and unconnected to a.) housing association tenants will be offered the opportunity to buy their homes from the association at a discounted rate.
No additional money for housing associations.

Is that the gist of it?
He says it so quickly he sounds like the fairy godmother.