Lord Janner

What is wrong with Pax and calling it quits? The analogy of terriers at rabbit holes springs to mind!

Janner's being prosecuted after all....

Quite right, too.

Thank goodness. Wonder if this had anything to do with the public protests or with the Scottish threat that they might prosecute anyway?

The right decision I think.

Who was it who was diagnosed with dementia when facing a court hearing and appeared to recover? Ah! this is who. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Saunders

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So if Janner can still want to sit in the Lords and make decisions why can he not stand trial?

We need to show that this country will not allow the establishment to ignore alleged offences by trying to protect any persons accused from facing a full enquiry. If they have done nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. The alleged victims need to feel that their concerns have been addressed.
The "Historic abuse enquiry" is set up to look at the evidence. There is still a lot of suspicion about others in the "British establishment" being involved in sexual abuse of children they surely all cannot develop dementia. These concerns have already been raised and in the public domain.

So Janner is to be the sacrificial lamb. That'll keep the plebs quiet ( that's 'us', by the way)

He won't be appearing in court. The case will be tried on evidence with him needing to appear apparently.

Yes Nellie I remember that case well.

Let's hope this opens the door for other allegations to be investigated within the eyes of the public.

Lord Jenner has held many roles in public life beside being an MP and member of the House of Lords. He was also chairman of the Board of British Jews between 1978 and 1984.

petra, why do you think he is the 'sacrificial lamb'? These allegations have been around since the 70s.

Needless to say I am hoping that the men who have suffered the abuse and mental trauma for decades will have their voices heard in court at last. They have been backed by the police but the establishment in one way or another has closed the door on their work for years.

The ' Victims' Right to Review Scheme' established in 2013 has given them the go ahead at long last to establish the truth, something they have wanted for so long .

They deserve that at least!

It smacks of one law for them, the establishment, and another law for the rest of us.
Too many people have allegedly and actually been protected from their actions by virtue of who they are.
They have been public figures holding numerous prestigious posts and allegedly getting away with vile crimes.
People must have known and did nothing about it. They are also guilty and perhaps can also have a day in court.
The case of Frank Beck in 1991 led to Lord Jenner being interviewed but apparently there was insufficient evidence.

Frank Beck was the 70/80's.

That's how long some of them have waited.

Definitely the right decision that Jenner should be charged and a court make the decision about whether a trial or a fact finding (I don't think that's the right term, but it'll do) take place. He ought to have been charged in 1991 and the way in which he was welcomed into the HoC when the decision was taken not to charge him was disgusting imo.

Did any of the bodies he belonged to know ,but covered up his alleged actions. The House of Commons, the House of Lords, the Board of British Jews, the CPS.

I can't see the point of this prosecution.

Janner can't appear or give evidence. No verdict can be arrived at or sentence given. All that will happen is that a vast amount of money will be spent over a great length of time on trying to establish whether certain events took place or not.

Will that really give the alleged victims any justice?

I think the victims do think this will bring a form of justice Ana inasmuch as evidence of their alleged abuse will at least be heard.

Yes, I suppose that's a good enough reason, although what about Jimmy Savile's victims?

Justice does not have a use by date though does it.

Do they not deserve to have their case taken to a court of law ?

I think that if found there is no reasonable doubt of Janners culpability that would be a justice for them , albeit the only one they can hope to obtain.

Sorry Ana posted without seeing your post 22.45 [dove]

Well apparently justice has a use-by date if the alleged perpetrator is dead!

Same here, POGS

brendaw - I would add the labour party to your list of organisations - he was a labour MP for about 20 years.

Actually you raise an interesting point Ana and Pogs - why couldn't the Savile case be heard and evidence presented posthumously?

Although, by the sounds of it, trial by media did in one way give the victims some justice. Pity the perpetrator was never outed in his lifetime though. But one effect has been for victims of other public figures to speak out I suppose with the trials of Max Clifford and Rolf Harris for example.