Lord Janner

jo1book

I am glad somebody has started this thread because I have mentioned Janner a few times before on GN.

I would like to just point one thing out. If I am not mistaken Leon Brittan is not the same as Janner. Before his death he had only been mentioned without proof or a police investigation in connection to a paedophile ring. Unlike Labour Lord Janner.

Now for Janner.

This is a b----y disgrace.

For those who live in the Leicester area probably remember the Frank Beck/Janner police investigations into peadophilia.

Frank Beck was a peadophile . He was employed by the Leicestershire County Council in the 70/80's, he was in charge of the councils children homes. He was convicted of child sex abuse between 1973. - 1986. At the same time Janner was a Labour MP being investigated by Leicestershire Police. My husband was a police officer and remembers the case well, most of us do.

Former Det. Sgt. Mick Creedon has gone on record to say he 'was told' not to arrest him at that time if my memory serves me well.

I understand Janner is reported to have dementia but to be honest I could spit when the Crown Prosecution uses the term 'Not in the Public Interest'.

Not in the Public Interest! It's of Interest to those who deserve to have their case heard, this is nothing knew, it is a case that had traction years ago.

Those poor kids suffered then and suffer now in their adulthood, Janner on the other hand led a very good life in a powerful job and was deemed of good character to become a Lord. What a diversity of fortune for those who were abused!.

There must be enough evidence to take to court for a long awaited trial, even if he is not capable of attending court himself. Jimmy Saville wasn't in court was he!

If I sound cross then that is exactly how I feel.

jo1book I fully agree with you. The children will now be adults but for many of them the actions of this 'man' will have ruined their lives. It is a disgrace that a case is not going to be taken.

Roger Bannister, Assistant Chief Constable has issued a statement. He says the decision by the CPS is "the wrong one". His statement goes on to suggest the Police are certain he should be prosecuted, has committed very serious offences, often against children in care, over a 30 year period.

But what about the children? Surely the public interest should be in the interest of the many abused children. They may not pose a current threat but think (and think graphically) what they actually did to children and got away with. These children were buggered and given a bar of chocolate. Now that should make you sick.

I am so sick of hearing these things and it brings out the caveman in me - I just want to chop their balls off! I know that having these leanings is not presumably a lifestyle choice and I should have some sympathy; but it is the abuse of power that goes with it that is so sickening. And the lack of concern for these child victims. It is beyond belief.

J52 - the reason being given is as you say, that he has dementia and no longer poses a threat to children. I'm very uncomfortable about this, as the allegations are serious and go back many years.

jo1book - Jimmy Saville didn't 'get done'. Someone from outside is leading an enquiry - it's an over arching enquiry being led by a Judge from New Zealand.

Has anyone said why it is not in the public interest. On the news, this morning, they said Lord Janner had dementia and was old. I don't think this has been a reason to stop war trials in the past.
Why should this be different? x

The salient point for me is why did Jimmy Saville get done and not these politicians. This paedo ring goes right to the top of the Estabishment, who wield tremendous Mafia-like power in the Country. I think someone from outside should lead an enquiry

Evidently it's being reported that prosecution won't go ahead because the CPS conclude it wouldn't be in the public interest.

That is exactly the phrase used by the DPP when it decided that prosecuting Cyril Smith in the late 60's early 70's wouldn't be in the public interest.

Mishap - I'm watching the Victoria Derbyshire show which is about to cover the news about Lord Janner.
(don't usually watch morning tv, but am proper poorly and on antibiotics!)

I have not heard this news. If they were alleged to be part of the paedophile ring why are they not being fully investigated?

The whole business just makes me feel very sick indeed.

Yes indeed. The "rumours" about Lord Janner and Leon Brittain have been well knows for generations. Greville Janner may be old and frail but it would appear that ample evidence exists to arrest, charge and try him. Old age and frailty hasn't stopped many others being tried for similar offences. It is difficult not to feel cynical and fear some kind of conspiracy. I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories but …….

Having lived in Leicester and Leicestershire for most of my life since I was 21, I vaguely remember rumours about Greville Janner surfacing, probably 40 years ago, so was not surprised to read about this now. I think it's a disgrace that these people are not brought to trial regardless of age and/or infirmity - they had no regard for the vulnerability of their victims. I get the 'not in the public interest' argument but it must surely be in the public interest for it to be shown that nothing stops a prosecution for such a dreadful crime.

I agree very uncomfortable radio 4 interview this morning. x