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I might vote Tory but that doesn't make me a bad person

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kittylester Fri 08-May-15 16:08:54

and I'm am really fed up of all the vitriol aimed at people like me. When did the country become so intolerant and judgmental? Why are we not allowed to hold different opinions? Debate is good and can achieve progress but insults just cause division confused

loopylou Fri 08-May-15 20:52:50

I'm not a Conservative voter either and I agree Jane10, the country was being held to ransom by the Left.

I'll just duck grin

Ana Fri 08-May-15 20:50:48

grin

Jane10 Fri 08-May-15 20:49:41

I'm not a conservative voter. We suffered under Thatcher. Redundancy after redundancy. It was hellish at the time. In retrospect, I think she did what needed to be done. Will now change name in case the militant socialist Grans come calling!

Ana Fri 08-May-15 20:49:17

Are you just talking about this site, Tegan? If so, it could be because hardly any Conservative voters dare to out themselves, let alone mention the T word.

I wonder how many of those who criticise Blair now, voted for him in 1997. It's easy to find fault when disillusion has set in, or with hindsight.

loopylou Fri 08-May-15 20:44:05

Could well be so Tegan
IMO they're also obviously less vociferous and militant.

Tegan Fri 08-May-15 20:39:24

I could be wrong here but imo Labour/LibDem voters are more open to critiscising their party eg I've admitted that I wasn't comfortable with the idea of Ed being Prime Minister..most of us have seem to dislike Blair for things that he did [and is still doing]. And yet I've never heard a Conservative voter say that Mrs Thatcher did some pretty unpleasant things. This is just an observation, by the way and I'm not saying that it's right..just saying it's how I perceive it to be.

loopylou Fri 08-May-15 20:34:06

Oh! Of course Ana! Silly me blush

The title of this thread might just be a clue to the less happy?

rosesarered Fri 08-May-15 20:33:16

You know the answer to that Ana, !

Ana Fri 08-May-15 20:24:00

I have noticed, durhamjen, that you're quite happy to have cosy little chats with those on your own wavelength on the politics threads. Why shouldn't we?

Ana Fri 08-May-15 20:21:02

The left always say 'I blame Thatcher' grin

Loopylou, according to some link or other, hardly anyone voted conservative at all, it's all the fault of our voting system! hmm

rosesarered Fri 08-May-15 20:19:34

Dj, we are happy and laughing it is you that is upset.

durhamjen Fri 08-May-15 20:19:28

I blame Tony Blair for a lot as well, kitty.

durhamjen Fri 08-May-15 20:18:15

You wait until they frack under your house, roses.

I've got an idea. Anyone who just wants a cosy little discussion with like-minded people should put the topic on the chat thread. Leave the politics thread for those who like a nice argument.
That way, you will not get upset.

rosesarered Fri 08-May-15 20:17:28

grin

kittylester Fri 08-May-15 20:17:23

DH always says 'I blame Tony Blair!' grin

loopylou Fri 08-May-15 20:16:50

Of course Ana! Might as well rosesarered, and the weather grin
And, of course, all those millions who voted Conservative were utterly misguided, poor souls.

Ana Fri 08-May-15 20:15:06

Yes indeed. I did once blame Gordon Brown, but was roundly set upon for that! grin

rosesarered Fri 08-May-15 20:12:07

Am back now full of delicious carrot cake and it was free, with no calories!
yes Ana, round and round the bend we go.I blame the Tories for climate change as well.

Ana Fri 08-May-15 20:08:41

Nothing is Labour's fault, it's all the fault of those pesky Tories...
Sigh. Round and round and round.

rosesarered Fri 08-May-15 20:06:14

off to Soop's kitchen for a slice of carrot cake now.

durhamjen Fri 08-May-15 20:03:52

Stansgran, you live in Durham. The Conservatives have stopped the Durham plan going ahead, which would have brought in lots of new jobs and housing. It's not the Labour council's or MP's fault. The council will have to spend lots of our council tax if they want to go to appeal, again not their fault.

rosesarered Fri 08-May-15 20:03:36

No matter how some people protest that they are just expressing 'concerns'
They have only to read Soutra's post 'no one party has a monopoly on care and compassion' we all want those things.It gets very tedious to have all these concerns constantly paraded by disappointed Labour/Green voters.
however I am guessing it will go on for another five years.

Nelliemoser Fri 08-May-15 20:01:05

I really don't go with the idea of particular bias on the BBC. People like John Humphrys grill their politicians with equal rigour and quite often both sides seem to complain the BBC is biased.

It could be just a matter of perception. If you are a right or left inclined and hear your right or left inclined politician being grilled, as you share his/her views, you will also feel your views are being challenged.

As on GN debates.

durhamjen Fri 08-May-15 19:53:39

This Tory has just been voted in as an MP and could take over from Cameron at the next election.

"Rats in the lunchbox, mould in the mattress: living in squalor in London
Rebecca Omonira-Oyekanmi 15 May 2014

In three decades a social welfare advisor has not seen the levels of poverty that are routine today. Rebecca Omonira-Oyekanmi listens to the stories of Londoners who struggle to survive.

Mahder Redie has not slept since finishing an 8-hour cleaning shift at 7am. It is noon on Thursday 3rd April. Since 8am he has been waiting for the repairman, as arranged with his landlord.

Mahder, 35, prepares lunch for his pregnant wife and daughter in the closet-sized kitchen. His wife Hiriti tries to relax on the sofa. One-year-old Merken wants to play, squealing happily.

"The Redie’s one-bedroom flat is infected with mould; they can't afford to move. Spooning sweet white rice and salad into a bowl for Merken, Mahder says that since the start of the year his housing association landlord has sent seven inspectors to the flat and, each time, “They do nothing.”

Mahder Redie earns £8.61 an hour as a cleaner at the Westfield shopping centre in East London, across the road from the multimillion-pound Olympic Park. Like many low paid workers, his job is temporary and barely covers living costs in a city where the average monthly rent is £1,233.

The family is desperate to move, but for those on low incomes there is little choice. The provision of council homes and social housing continues to fall. Nine London councils recently lost a legal challenge to Mayor Boris Johnson’s plan to increase the upper limit of rents deemed "affordable" in the capital. "

loopylou Fri 08-May-15 19:22:02

Like it or not the Conservatives must have been doing something right for so many Labour, Lib Dem etc supporters to have deserted their Parties and voted them in.
The others wouldn't have been so thoroughly trounced if that hadn't been the case, and their leaders wouldn't have felt they had no option other than to resign.