Do some Tory voters now regret their decision?

Is mumster an abbreviation of mumsnetter?

Penstemmon, in the DM last week there was a list of 50 seats where the readers were asked to vote to keep Labour out. In 36 of them, if they were thinking of voting Libdem or Ukip, they were asked to vote Tory.
In 12 of them, they were asked to vote Libdem.

Overall, only 17.5% of seats changed hands. In this list, 36% changed hands. Tactical voting worked.

I need to revise a comment. Boris Johnson did not inherit American citizenship, but was born there so obtained dual citizenship: British and American. He was not happy about being asked to pay tax to them.

I need to revise a comment. Boris Johnson did not inherit American citizenship, but was born there so obtained dual citizenship: British and American. He was not happy about being asked to pay tax to them.

The non doms we are talking about are not keeping their overseas assets in places like the USA but in countries where they pay little or no tax. There are double taxation agreements with many countries so people don't pay tax in two countries - this is completely separate from the non dom issue.

it was the most exciting election that I can ever remember , very unusual.
but whatever the disappointment felt by Labour voters, there will always be another election , that's the beauty of democracy. we can have all this fun again in five years time.

rosequartz

In America, that is the case. American citizens are required to pay tax on income, wherever earned and whatever tax they have already paid on that income. I think I can remember Boris being characteristically incensed over this and hence relinquished his American citizenship.

I don't think that they did Penstemmon, surely not? voted almost anything else I think, maybe the minority parties?Talking about those Lib Dem voters that lean to the left, as the party is made up of those in the middle as well.

rosequartz

In America, that is the case. American citizens are required to pay tax on income, wherever earned and whatever tax they have already paid on that income. I think I can remember Boris being characteristically incensed over this and hence relinquished his American citizenship.

Thinking about it it seems odd that Lib Dem voters would tactically vote Tory if they were cross with their party for not getting more Lib Dem influence on policies. They won't influence anything now!

Boris quote

I am not sure, I don't think I know that much about the intricacies of this to pass an opinion, merely ask questions.

So: the scenario is a person has dual nationality, one of the nationalities inherited via a parent, resides in the UK but earns income from overseas and pays tax in the country where income is earned overseas.
Should that person also pay tax on that income in the UK? ie pay tax twice? Paying tax in both countries
Is that it, or have I got it all wrong?

and giving in now

rosequartz
So you think non-dom status and tax avoidance are defensible or good for the British economy? You think we should keep the status quo?

I do not regret my voting decision but I do regret the outcome of the election. However 'the people' have spoken. I will continue to hold my political beliefs and values and argue and fight for them. I will not 'get over it' if what is meant is that I give up putting my opinions forward.

I do believe in 'positive' future campaigning and not 'blame' games.

I will joke about individual politicians and comment on their political decisions but I try hard to focus on policies and not 'personalities'. Though with the rise of the career politician personality is often an issue!

rosequartz

Are you referring to my Boris quote? Paying tax in both countries on money earned here, did not seem to bother the Americans. I think that they believe that if you have citizenship you pay on any income wherever it is earned. If it is non-dom status, it is such a peculiar British anomaly, that I am not sure there are any models to draw on. If it is good enough for the Americans, then...

Look I agree with you about Amazon and their ilk mumster

I don't see us as 'victims'

I was addressing the argument that the nondoms cannot be taxed on equal terms with the majority of taxpayers because they are doing us a favour by spending their money here. It's the old fear tactic- if we stand up for what is fair and morally defensible, then they will leave the country, take their businesses elsewhere, people will lose jobs.......

Wherever we go in the world, we rely on infrastructure etc The point is we need to look at nondom status, tax avoidance by huge global corporates, like Amazon and tax havens through another lense, get another perspective on it. We give them our money, they do not give us employment out of the goodness of their hearts. They live, work and play here, because they choose to. Let them leave, if they like. Most of the time companies move because they can get a cheaper workforce in other countries, look what happened to clothing manufacture. They are more likely to leave if we exit the European Union, at the moment. "We can't do anything because we are helpless, they will take their money elsewhere," is the argument I find spurious. Time to abandon the victim status and show a bit of British courage.

Should they pay tax in Britain on their earnings overseas, if they have paid tax in the country where they received them?

Welcome, mumster I have not noticed any of your posts previously pre-election threads, perhaps I have missed them

mumster - could you not levy that argument about anyone from abroad who comes to our country either to work, or as a tourist - they will be using our transport system, our coffee shops, living in accommodation built by our citizens, but presumably they will be paying for those services thus putting money back into our economy. By equal measure, we have drawn on the services of foreign born professionals, doctors, nurses and the like. Those coffee shops and homes may have been built or staffed by people from abroad, we use their skills, their knowledge and education all funded elsewhere.

I do not have any strong views on inherited citizenship British or otherwise, as long as people pay their fair share of taxes here. Perhaps this question of dual citizenship should be tackled by Boris Johnson. I seem to remember he inherited American citizenship from his father and when the American Government pursued him for payment of a substantial tax bill, he renounced his American citizenship. They do not seem to have a problem with people needing to pay taxes twice. Hope this suggestion is helpful.

TerriBull

Like you, I suppose they do use private health care and the private school system, more than the majority of the population. I was referring to tax funded elements in a wider context. Their empoyees have been educated, probably through state funding. Whatever skills such employees have, which are utilised by their employer have been paid for by taxation. The same goes for the health and wellbeing of employees, how they travel to work etc. Not just emloyees, but the people who serve them in coffee shops, build houses, everyone we come into contact with, in the most part, how our goods are transported, our roads maintained. They do not live in splendid isolation. It is about time we stopped looking at them as if they are our benefactors, and think about how much we do for them.

We all agree with that then, blimey!

For what it's worth I agree that the non dom status needs a review, particularly the inherited status which clearly needs to be revoked.

So how do you feel about inherited British citizenship, mumster?
Are you against that too?

I do agree, though, that the non-dom status needs re-addressing.

This country, unlike many other countries in the world, has a stable and democratic political system, relatively low levels of corruption in public servants, responsive and relatively well resourced emergency services, a good road and rail network, a wealth of well maintained public amenities such as museums, galleries, parks, libraries, etc., and is a relatively safe place in which to live. All this infrastructure has been paid for and maintained out of taxation

Please could someone forward the above statement, full of common sense, to Lily Allen.