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A story that makes me despair

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GrannyTwice Fri 22-May-15 08:47:18

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/may/22/victim-falsely-accused-of-lying-by-uk-hampshire-police-wins-payout

I am truly horrified about this story . How fortunate that the girl had a supportive mother. How on earth were three of the officers involved allowed to retire or resign without sanction? It's also interesting to note that it was only because the mother's lawyer was able to use the HRA that the police had to re investigate the case. The real crime the girl committed was to have been in trouble with the police before and have mental health problems.

durhamjen Sun 24-May-15 15:06:46

It's strange how things like this never get mentioned in discussions about unions.

www.theguardian.com/law/2015/may/21/barristers-threaten-walk-out-legal-aid-cuts

durhamjen Sun 24-May-15 15:03:22

Just, but it has been cut back considerably by the last government. Legal Aid lawyers have been going out of business.

Ana Sun 24-May-15 14:46:32

We do still have Legal Aid.

durhamjen Sun 24-May-15 14:43:11

What a surprise, Ana.
It doesn't mean it came from the Guardian.
If we still had Legal Aid there would be no need for crowdfunding.

Ana Sat 23-May-15 16:41:26

Lost interest when it started talking about 'a nice video on the site which has been cross posted by The Guardian'.

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 16:18:59

This might come in useful in the future.

ukhumanrightsblog.com/2015/05/22/the-future-of-public-interest-litigation/

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 14:34:28

www.bihr.org.uk/changestohra

The Human Rights Act is about universal rights. The government wants to bring in a British Bill of Rights. Why? Should our rights not be universal?

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 14:22:04

If a Bill of Rights was going to be a good substitute for the old one, there would be no need to get rid of the old one, would there? It would just make lots more work for no reason. They want to change it, not just substitute it.

thatbags Sat 23-May-15 14:19:30

Excuse me but isn't resigning a form of disciplinary action in the sense that it's what people call for when someone fucks up in their job?

Bankers? MPs doing things they oughtn't? etc.

Elegran Sat 23-May-15 14:06:29

A new Bill of Rights is fine, so long as it is a good substitute for the old one.

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 14:01:09

Carswell has just said on radio 4 that he wants to see a new Bill of Rights.

Ana Sat 23-May-15 13:25:25

I'll let you have the last word, as usual! smile

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 13:23:00

Those on the right do not sneer...... I must try and remember that.

Ana Sat 23-May-15 13:18:40

Still not quaking in my boots...

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 13:10:24

Perhaps you ought to read it again, Ana. The Tory government can use the Parliament Act to force it on to the statute, if the Lords reject it.

Ana Sat 23-May-15 13:01:19

As it seems from your Guardian link at 12.16, durhamjen, any attempt to scrapthe HRA is unlikely to get past the Lords.

So I don't think we need to panic about the 100 days deadline! hmm

Iam64 Sat 23-May-15 13:00:27

Thanks for starting a discussion about this dreadful case GrannyTwice. I haven't read today's papers, or your thread but I did hear discussion about it on the radio yesterday. I share the views expressed by GT about the way the case was mishandled and the fact some of the detectives involved were allowed to resign, rather than face the disciplinary action they ought to have.

The HRA is of course relevant to what happened here, but so is the determination of the victim's mother, the victim's persistence and her lawyers support. Polarised left - v - right polemics detract from the significance of what happened here, which is that a young woman was raped and her allegation dismissed by the detectives, presumably because she fitted their prejudiced view of "trouble". I was also shocked that the force involved saw £20,000 as a suitable amount of compensation. Compare that to the huge amounts of compensation given to 'celebrities" whose phones were hacked (not defending phone hacking by the way)

Jingle, I know you didn't like The Detectives, the documentary about Greater Manchester Police services Serious Sexual Offences unit, because you said so on the thread where it was discussed. Most other posters commented positively about the detectives shown doing their difficult job and also about the fact it showed the processes and legal constraints within which they work. I wonder if you'd see these officers as "thick" (your post 22.05.15. 17.13) because they did have northern accents and didn't fit the newly qualified graduate so many feel make better police officers.

loopylou Sat 23-May-15 12:58:33

confused

Elegran I'm with you re your 12:12 post, and further posts.

Personally I'm finding the incessant Tory bashing very tedious, like pompa I'm out.

mcem Sat 23-May-15 12:52:07

56 snp, 1 labour, 1 tory , 1 libdem.
Hostage?

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 12:46:53

Another reminder of my views, then.

The Human Rights Act really is important.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/05/22/pick-of-the-week-the-tory-human-rights-act-attack

As GrannyTwice said, without it this girl would not have got justice. The Tories wish to get rid of it within their first 100 days, so there is not much time.

Elegran Sat 23-May-15 12:43:21

No, mine is SNP, like all but one of the Scottish MPs.

Another hostage? I don't get that.

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 12:35:35

Is your MP the one and only Labour one left in Scotland, Elegran?
SNP will vote against the government on this anyway, as will Labour. All we need is a few thoughtful Tories who do not want to lose their seats.

Another hostage there for you, Elegran.

Elegran Sat 23-May-15 12:27:10

It seems subjectively to be several times a day, DJ - you are ubiquitous in stating your views. It is certainly a lot!

The House of Lords appears to be on the case and being watchful. Good. That is what a second chamber is for, and the reason the members are there under a different system to the House of Commons- to give a different viewpoint and provide checks and balances.

Now we all need to contact our MPs to remind them to be watchful of our liberties, too.

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 12:19:56

I think I can safely accuse you of exaggeration, Elegran.
Several times a day?

durhamjen Sat 23-May-15 12:16:59

www.theguardian.com/law/2015/may/22/falconer-scrap-human-rights-act-thrown-out-house-of-lords-gove