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An alternative Queen's speech.

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durhamjen Wed 27-May-15 23:28:16

As my original thread seems to have been hijacked by GNHQ, and we are not allowed to discuss this on there;

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/05/26/my-queens-speech-a-radical-programme-for-the-uk/

FarNorth Wed 10-Jun-15 22:33:54

I meant how do individuals feel that it is justified. I suspect that answer will come none, however.

durhamjen Wed 10-Jun-15 21:40:50

Do you mean the report?

bit.ly/afscuts

Or do you mean how Osborne and IDS justify it?
They do not have to.

FarNorth Wed 10-Jun-15 21:29:52

I'd be interested to hear reasoning on how this is justified.

durhamjen Tue 09-Jun-15 23:24:06

www.centreforwelfarereform.org/library/by-date/briefing-on-how-cuts-are-targeted.html

This is how cuts to welfare affect those least able to cope, the ones that Cameron and Osborne said they would protect from the cuts.
They lied.

durhamjen Sun 31-May-15 17:13:16

I think a bit of sympathy for this family would not come amiss. The youngest girl is their granddaughter. I have seen a lot of sympathy for someone on this site who wanted to keep her grandson instead of him going into foster care.

The house they have been evicted from was given to them as temporary accommodation for two years. They have been there six years. It's private accommodation, paid for by housing benefit.
Their own children were all born when the father was in work.

Ana Sun 31-May-15 15:31:26

Oh, what a cynic you are! smile

whitewave Sun 31-May-15 15:27:25

I don't know ana but they may not be all Labour supporters.

Ana Sun 31-May-15 15:19:10

Goodness, even 53% of Mirror readers are in favour of the new benefits cap! Are they all closet tories? grin

whitewave Sun 31-May-15 15:19:07

Wonder for the sake of fairness whether comanys who give large amounts to the Tory Party will ask their shareholders to "opt in" to the giving, just as the union members are being asked to do.

durhamjen Sun 31-May-15 14:33:08

www.change.org/p/david-cameron-stop-the-11-pay-rise-for-mps-salaries

Hope you've all signed this.
1 MP = 3.6 poor families on benefits.

durhamjen Sun 31-May-15 14:26:37

Ridiculous that people paid less than they can afford to live on in benefits are having to pay tax, when people earning between £45,000 and £50,000 will be given a tax refund, don't you think?

durhamjen Sun 31-May-15 14:24:52

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-victims-tory-welfare-cap-5780398

Ana Sun 31-May-15 14:15:56

I'm not quite sure what you're saying is ridiculous.

It does seem rather ridiculous that people are making such a fuss about benefits being capped at the equivalent of a £29,000 p.a. salary.

durhamjen Sun 31-May-15 14:08:38

Quite a few benefits are taxable, too. If someone is receiving housing benefit and jobseekers allowance up to the limit, they will be paying tax on that. Ridiculous, isn't it? Not many people actually receive the £26,000 at the moment. It's just punishing the poor more.

soontobe Sun 31-May-15 13:56:09

And other benefits I presume?

Ana Sun 31-May-15 13:47:50

£23,000 is the equivalent of a £29,000 salary before tax - £3,000 p.a. more than the median income.

durhamjen Sun 31-May-15 12:12:12

Over 22,000 signatures now on the Hunger Games petition.

I heard this morning on the local radio someone talking about the local foodbank, and having a fun day to raise funds. Sorry but fun and foodbanks do not go together in my mind.

"The bill will in effect break the link between the benefits cap and median earnings. The coalition always argued the cap was fair because it was calibrated to ensure no workless household received in benefits income more than the £26,000 earned by the median household. The reduced level would mean unemployed households’ total benefits income would be capped at a sum far less than median earnings. Given that low-paid working household income is inflated beyond £26,000 by tax credits, the income gap between households in work, and those which are not, will widen. "
A quotation about the Welfare Bill and how the Libdems used to be able to temper the Tories in the coalition. It seems strange to miss the Libdem influence.

durhamjen Sun 31-May-15 12:00:25

www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/30/hotel-workers-bullied-underpaid-few-rights-uk

Just been reading this about Trade Unions. The Tories do not need another bill. Employees in hotels do not have many rights as it is.
The people who are going on strike outside London hotels are being very brave. It seems like they do not have much to lose.

durhamjen Sat 30-May-15 00:19:06

I read that, too, Eloethan.
I agree that we should be told when big companies donate to any party. Often people say it's not the company, it's the individual who donates. We need transparency in all donations.
It's easy enough to look at the theyworkforyou website to find out who donates to individual MPs, but it takes a lot of time and effort.

Eloethan Fri 29-May-15 23:43:40

On the subject of trade unions contributing towards the Labour Party, in The I today was a small report which said:

"The Conservatives banked more money from donations than all the other political parties put together, the latest Electoral Commission figures showed".

"The Tories were given £15.4 million of the £30.6 million received by the parties in the first three months of this year, compared with £9.33 million collected by Labour............"

"The figures emerged as Labour braces itself for the loss of several million pounds a year following changes to trade union funding announced in this week's Queen's Speech."

Members of trade unions now have to actively authorise that part of their membership fee go towards funding the Labour Party. It would also be nice if it was incumbent on large companies such as Next, Warburtons, Betfair and Addison Lee Taxis to inform their customers that they donate to the Conservative Party, in order that their customers can also make an informed decision as to whether they wish to to take their custom elsewhere.

durhamjen Fri 29-May-15 15:28:41

14 927 signatures. Wonder how long it will take to get 20,000.

durhamjen Fri 29-May-15 15:27:35

If it wasn't in the contract before, it will be now, MiniMouse! Me, a cynic!

MiniMouse Fri 29-May-15 12:04:28

durhamj you old cynic you wink grin

durhamjen Fri 29-May-15 11:46:00

They do not have to be on benefits, minimouse, just low-paid. I presume they also have to be single, as anyone who is part of a family will probably have housing benefits taking them above that amount.

If the winner has double the money in one year, they will only pay tax on it just like any other person whose pay goes up to £30,000 in a year.

No doubt they will then want to do another programme following the winner around to find out what he or she has squandered the money on!

Ariadne Fri 29-May-15 11:41:15

I signed it today too - appalling!