Terror attacks in France and Tunisia/now

Just a quick comment. I have seen many #notinmyname posts on Twitter from the wider Muslim community in Britain and in other countries. Does this not count? Younger people tend to use this medium and also FB to express their personal opinions.

Anya asked me for a link, strangely. If she had bothered looking at the link about notinmyname she would have found out what she wanted.

Here's a link for her.

imamsonline.com/blog/from-dewsbury-to-tunisia-do-we-have-a-problem/

She can stick up for herself, Ana.

Soon, the minister is saying we should get angry. What's the point of always being wishy-washy. You never make decisions, never do anything, never go on marches or sign petitions. You never put your money where your mouth is.

Expats in France often live in pretty rural areas, and are not always aware of the lack of opportunities for young 'Beurs' youngster of North AFrican heritage (as said, often 2nd or 3rd generation FRENCH born in FRANCE - not immigrants).

Since I have been asked by the same poster twice, I had better reply.

Yes, we are supposed to love our enemy. Definitely.
But in no way are we supposed to love what they do, if they do wrong.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

The poverty and authority bit - yes that is right.

I am starting to see where you are coming from. You think that by being angry, that helps you to hold authorities to account? If I have got that right?
But cant that still be done, but without the anger?

Why do you say things like that, durhamjen?

'I do not expect you to have bothered looking at that.'

What sort of mindset is it that puts down anyone who dares to question your particular view of the world?

I did not say there were protest marches, Anya. I said there was outcry.
Muslims marched after the Charlie Ebdo obscenity, and they set up the notinmyname website. But I do not expect you to have bothered looking at that.

nobody is excusing in any way, shape or form- at all - but as said, the Algerian war finished in 1962... so very much in our lifetime- and for some, when our children were born. This is not ancient history OUR generation. This means the man whose head was severed could have served in the French army at the time. Not that that would excuse this dreadfuk, dreadful crime- at all.

The situation is quite different in the UK- but for North Africans in FRance, even those who are 2nd or 3rd generation born in France- equality of opportunities just do nto exist, and they are often put down all the time and treated like 2nd class citizens, possibly 3rd class (with white immigrants as 2nd)- have very menial jobs and the unemployment rate among the young is about 3 times for than for the 'white' French. VERY different to the UK situation.

It would take courage to march knowing so many feel hatred towards you because you are Muslim, the fact one was marching to protest against the violence of ISIS would be too complicated for some to understand , they would just think Muslim and no further

rosesarered, I find some posts cold , intolerant and also rather smug, we all see things differently

Perhaps you could also respond to my request of 19.15 and Anya's of 19.42 durhamjen.

It's noticeable that you often seem to ignore posts you either can't or won't answer.

Soon, in response to your what good does anger do.

"The Bible famously challenges people to love their enemy, but I don’t believe that means not getting angry, or simply accepting the status quo. There are many passages about helping those living in poverty, but many more about addressing the causes of poverty, and passages about respecting those in authority sit within a wider narrative of holding those in power to account for the good of the whole of society."

This was from a minister in the church. I can give you a link to the article if you want.

Excellent post Anya. I find Durhamjens and Anniebachs posts ridiculous and laughable.

I haven't sodding well "copped out"! I said if EC forces hacked people's heads off, and the like, there would be one helluva outcry today.

And read my post of 18.48.04.

I wonder whether muslims are understandably scared to speak up too loudly.
I dont think that marching is going to be a good idea for them.

I'm still waiting for a reply to my post of 19.15 Anya, so don't hold your breath...

What good does the anger do Anniebach?

If people dont move on from anger in their lives, it hurts themselvs and others around them.

dj - the second part of the biblical quote is the bit you want for what you wrote I think. But best to leave it there I think, if that is ok.

Can you send me a link to protest marches that have taken place please?

There is an outcry from British Muslims, Anya. It just does not get printed as much as other outcries.

Nigglynellie , spot on, you did not hold that poor man responsible and he wasn't yet he felt shame. Therefore we must understand that someone can feel anger for past deeds ,

understanding doesn't mean condoning or excusing sadly some here cannot see this

Sandals

Oh spare me the biblical quotes DJ and try to move into the here and now. I'm sure those grieving for friends and family gunned down or beheaded by fanatics would not be impressed.

The situation is as it is. Now. In 2015.

This young murderer used social media, had a smart phone. He was not wandering round in sackcloth and sandles and riding a camel. He had choices and he chose to murder innocent people who were simply trying to relax and unwind on a beautiful beach in Tunisia. He was easily convinced to do evil by other evil people.

Others of his race and religion chose to make a human barrier and tell him that he had to kill them first if he wanted to cross it. So there was no excuse for his actions and we need to hear an outcry from our British Muslins too.

You flatter yourself if you think I only read your comments, durhamjen.

Please point out the post where jingl said, categorically, that the British have no faults.

While lessons can certainly be learned from the past, no generation can possibly be held responsible or be made to feel guilty for the atrocities committed by their forebears. I was in the Netherlands last October visiting the grave of my late father, who was killed 72 years ago and lies buried with the rest of the bomber crew who died with him. While there, I met a charming Dutch lady whose husband was German. Unfortunately this husband felt that he was unable to meet me, and when I asked with surprise why? it transpired that he felt a sense of overwhelming guilt for the horrors perpetrated by his forbears and felt that he couldn't face me. I was deeply saddened that this poor man was riddled with guilt about something that happened years before he was born, and for which he couldn't possibly be held responsible and made strenuous efforts to convey this feeling. No future generations can help the past, but we can all learn by it.

Jingl did, Ana. Read the bloody thread, not just my comments.

So the British are not without faults. Who said they were?

Barmy...

Wallow? What? This is all getting more and more ridiculous!

What are you actually saying? That it's OK for ISIS to commit the actocities they do because we and others have done the same in the past?