Terror attacks in France and Tunisia/now

granjura, I so agree with you, nothing excuses murder but atrocities carried out during the years of colonialism are not forgotten . And no one can deny this country carried out the most brutal acts, as did other countries in the west

Grannyonce sounded as if she wanted to give a slap on the wrist to whoever desecrated the graves, as it was wrong but understandable.

That's horrible, granjura. When you say your friend posted them, what did you mean? On the internet? Through the post? Neither should be allowed.
As you say, it was sickening then, not just now, but then it was civilised Europeans doing it to "savage" Africans.

I know someone will tell me we must not look back- but today a friend posted official postcards, stamped and sent by French soldiers from Morrocco and Algeria in 1912 (the year my dad was born) with the picture showing the severed heads of Morrocans and Algerians, with eyes pierced and tongues cut out- and lined up on a stone wall and at the bottom too- dozens- and the message home boasting at what they had done in the name of France. I'm afraid in North Africa- these memories of what happened to their grandfathers and great-grand fathers, the rape of their grandmothers and great grandmothers and the slaughtering of children- in the name of French colonialism, are still very much alive.

Does this excuse this? No, no at all, not in the slightests. But British and French colonialism and its atrocities still have consequences to this day.
I won't post the postcards- it is just too gruesome.

Who was the slap on the wrist for, then?

Grannyonce said she felt in a parallel universe. Just agreeing with her.

The non grading issue explains a lot.

This is going to be tedious, but I am going to have to discuss fundamentalism yet again.

As far as I know, IS is not muslim fundamentalism?

Don't be so patronising, durhamjen. grannyonce certainly isn't the only one to think that desecrating graves is not on a par with mass murder.

You're welcome to stay in your other universe, grannyonce, the one where you forget about the rest of the world.
No it was not just Muslim graves, but Nottingham police believe the Muslim graves were targeted.
Again, you are grading; wrong but understandable. Slap on the wrist then for that, eh?

grannyonce, you would accept the graves of your loved ones being desecrated because someone felt they had to express their feelings ?

Saying desecrating graves shouldn't be compared with acts carried out by ISIS is no different , all acts of hatred are wrong and surely shouldn't be on a scale of 0 to 10
I can't believe anyone would say such a thing if they think about it for more than a second.
if the graves were desecrated as an act of hatred /revenge (incidentally it was not just Muslim graves according to reports)
did anyone die, was anyone attacked - no
it was wrong but perhaps understandable that they felt they had to express their feelings.
sometimes I feel Gransnet (and Mumsnet) is a parallel universe and I obviously have no place in it

I was talking about splitting the community. Whoever did it, it was probably because they wanted to set muslim against non-muslim and escalate the problem.
Desecrating Muslim graves is evil, too, as is desecrating any grave, particularly to religious people.

Earlier this year a young Asian dentist was shopping in a supermarket, a white supremist attacked him with a machete and hammer, serious injuries to the head and left hand almost severed . This came up in a discussion I was in and someone said - he was lucky , not like poor Lee Rigsby.

Saying desecrating graves shouldn't be compared with acts carried out by ISIS is no different , all acts of hatred are wrong and surely shouldn't be on a scale of 0 to 10

Unfortunately the IS killers can't be 'made to make reparation'...

I read that our police have been warned that we're next.

people attacking graves - wrong, wrong, wrong
ISIS killing and butchering innocent people - evil, evil, evil
how can you compare the two and suggest that people who attack graves no better than ISIS really

A report out today about Muslim graves in Nottingham being attacked. Why? Does that make the people doing it any better than IS?
All they are doing is splitting the community.
I hope whoever did it is found and made to make reparation. I would also like to hear non-muslims condemn it.

Thank you Jen

www.isisnotinmyname.com/

We should all respect other countries and beliefs. In this country however some seem to shrug our shoulders when people kill our citizens, burn our flag and spread hatred towards us. We don't do anything for fear of someone pulling out the racist card.
Why oh why can't we respect each other, respect each other's views and respect the right to speak freely. A right that has all but disappeared for fear of the racist card being pulled.
It is a complete tragedy the events of last Friday and although it's a very small minority that undertake these tragic deeds ALL of humanity suffers.
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Yes, merlot, we seem to be back to the same argument put forward on the thread about the British women absconding to Syria - it must be our fault because they felt so unwanted that they would be 'safer' in Syria...

I think it would Be good to see more active demonstrations of "not in my mind" by Muslims in the UK. No reason why marches should get out of hand.

I have never visited a mosque. Or a synagogue for that matter. Am I in the minority? I doubt it.

Where is the evidence that young British born muslims are daily criticised.

If they feel so unwanted in their own country maybe they'd like to swap places with some of the beleaguered refugees in southern Europe.

I did not tell you how to address me Anya, I asked you not to raise your voice at me

Don't tell me how to address you Annie if I wan't to type in CAPITALS I will. Since when are you the forum police?

Do you think I've never visited a mosque? How patronising you are. Or a temple, or a synagogue. Do you not think I have Muslim friends? I tell them this too.