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Exactly my point, jingl.

A bit of myth busting, if you can bear to read the link ( not directed at you, jingl).

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/policy_research/the_truth_about_asylum/facts_about_asylum_-_page_1

There is a lot of wealth in this country. Maybe it should be shared more fairly.

Mental health appointments will be virtually impossible to get.
Doctors appointments, special needs appointments.
Yes petallus. The poor and struggling will fail some more. Bound to.

Soon. Very good. Never looked a Durhamjens posts in that light. It would be lovely if we could help everyone, but we can't. My objections ( to immigration) has never been about colour: it's numbers and some cultures.

Good posts, Jane10.

Resources are not in short supply, petallus, they are just not shared.
I am sure that many of us do pay into funds such as charities to help refugees. However, it's not enough.

It would be useful if those who feel strongly that disadvantaged people should be let into this country could participate in some sort of scheme to make this happen, say paying into a fund or opening up spare rooms in their houses.

The problem, otherwise, is that if the UK allows large numbers into our country to share in resources which are already in scant supply (benefits, low skilled work, subsidised housing) the burden will fall disproportionately on the already poor and struggling of this country.

Despite all Cameron's posturing, Jane, net immigration is the highest it's ever been. The more he wants to keep people out, the more determined they seem to be to come here. Perhaps he should just keep immigration out of the news for a bit.

durhamjen we had the Vietnamese people here too, in fact I think they were distributed all over the UK. Many settled in the area and are still here but others were given the opportunity to go to Canada and Australia. It seemed to be a global problem back then. The world has moved on and I don't think you can compare it to how life was in the seventies, our attitude has changed both to our fellow citizens and those from overseas. Sad.

It would still be better than the life they are living now.

durhamjec. You are looking into the future. But migrants today have to experience what is on offer in Britain today.

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But according to you, there is not wealth for those that will be coming here.
They will go straight onto benefits. Right now. Today or whatever. They are not suddenly going to be able to get a job as a postman. Or even a job on minimum wage are they?
And a life on benefits is all doom and gloom. According to you.
Which may well be true.

It's 2 different issues. If we let anyone who wants to to come here the numbers of homeless people will increase at least a hundredfold. Taxation of the super rich won't help. They'll just leave. We'll all be left looking for another country to migrate to. 2 wrongs don't make a right!

Can you not read, soon? We need to share. Not the misery, but the wealth. We should be wanting to help our fellow humans, not telling them there's nothing for them here.

Thatcher's idea of there being no such thing as society appears to have really rubbed off on you.

So if it so bad here, why do you want others to come and share that misery?

No. The irony is that we are the sixth richest country in the world yet we have people using food banks, and losing their homes because they have lost jobs or cannot afford the rent or mortgage.
We are the sixth richest country in the world because those at the top have so much more than those at the bottom.
We need to share, not just in this country, but in the EU and worldwide.

I have just opened my mail, which included a letter from Shelter. 443,000 people in England at risk of losing their homes. It absolutely sickens me. Next month Osborne will give the wealthiest people in this country a bribe in the form of lower taxes.

I want everyone in this country to realise the plight of those trying to escape from Africa and Syria. In the 70s I taught Vietnamese boatpeople. They had nothing when they arrived in this country. We did not tell them to go back where they came from.

durhamjen. Serious question.
You post negative stuff after negative post about Britain.
Yet you want others to come here.

So you are complaining a huge amount about life in Britain today, whcih as you rightly point out, is the sixth richest country on the planet.
Can you not see the irony in that?

Jane10, here is a link that you asked for. It supports what you say about Eastern European countries not wanting migrants.

theconversation.com/anti-immigrant-walls-and-racist-tweets-the-refugee-crisis-in-central-europe-43665

However, all I can think is, how is that different from the UK? We do not need to build a wall as we have a sea and channel in between. However, Cameron is wanting to send border police to France to stop anyone wanting to come here.
We're the sixth richest nation in the world but we only want rich people to come here. It's not right. This should be a moral issue, not a financial one.

Cameron wants to stop them claiming benefits until they have lived here for four years. The ECHR says it is against EU policies.
That's one reason Cameron wants to change the EU.

People are always saying how awful it is on benefits.
Most of the people coming here will presumably be on benefits.

Because we are the sixth richest country in the world?

Its easy to say we can afford it but we actually simply cannot. Its not just a matter of money. Our way of life, NHS, housing, employment, culture and even safety is at risk. We already seem to be some sort of magnet for the dispossessed for whatever reason. Where would we draw the line? We'd be absolutely swamped by the African male economic migrants that we see on the news every day. (Syrian refugees are a different problem and should be helped.)
Yes that's harsh. Life is harsh. They should be helped to see how to improve their own original homes rather than just try to move here. I'm braced for a whole series of links from DJ but its what I really think and I don't think I'm the only one.

If you look at the UNHCR website you will find that last year Hungary took 43,000 refugees, more than any other country in the EU except for Sweden.
This year 23,000 have applied for asylum there.
Last year Poland took over 29,000.
I do not see the fact that Poland only has half the population of Britain and Hungary only one sixth to be of significance.
The UK annual income per capita is 7 times that of Poland and 5 times that of Hungary. We can afford it.
What about, "Is this your idea of being European?" directed at Cameron?