English Votes for English Laws

It needs to be done quickly because it was promised that it would be done quickly.The sooner it's sorted out the better for all concerned. yes Scotland will get more powers once the English laws are in place.I do not like to see unfairness either, that's why Scottish MP's should not vote on anything that just concerns England.I imagine that it IS what the majority of people here in England want, why wouldn't they?
I was pleased that Scottish people decided to remain part of the Union , although it was by a small margin.If they ever have another referendum on it and decide to go, then so be it, I guess we will survive!I Will feel sorry for the people there though that didn't want to leave, and wonder if the SNP will live up to expectations if they ever do go it Alone,it could all go horribly wrong for them.
There is nothing wrong in having laws that have only to do with England and English MP's voting on them.It's no good going on about ancient laws etc because we have handed powers to Scotland Wales and NI and they now vote on things that are exclusive to their own countries.
there is nothing for anyone to worry about.

What is the population of Wales compared to the population of England anniebach?
Could that have something to do with it, do you think?

As we have no say in the laws of our own country , well 40 votes against 533 , I think there should be a proper debate,

By the way, roses, I am not a little Englander, however you define that phrase. I have never thought of myself as English, but British, like lots of other people born in England.
Yorkshire next.

Scotland was promised more powers in order to keep it in the union. Then the government tried to renege on the deal by saying it would only happen if there were English laws for English people. At the moment it's a slogan, that's all.
I do not like to see unfairness anywhere. We have not been told what it means. We have no idea what English laws are, compared with UK laws and EU laws.

If the government is so sure that that's what the English want, why can we not have a proper debate and a referendum on it?
Why does it have to be forced through in the next few days, before they go on holiday? Surely something as important as this deserves better.

What is difficult for some to understand, Scotland has 59 MP's , Wales 40 MP's, N Ireland 18 MP's, England 533 , has there ever really be fairness ? If the three smaller countries voted together they could always be out voted by England , it's so difficult.

When I last looked, nobody polices borders in England Wales and Scotland, unless there is a sort of checkpoint Charlie set up overnight.

Good post Bez, and you have said it all really.
DJen are you Scottish? if not, and you are English, then why are you getting so worked up about something that could be good for England?
it's been a long time coming, and a good thing too, and only fair as Scotland has it's own powers, likewise Wales and Northern Ireland.What's all the fuss about?

Absent, at the time, 1998, Scotland charged tuition fees, £3000 over 4 years, so the idea was to bring tuition fees in the rest of the UK in line with Scotland.
People tend to forget that and blame the Scottish MPs for voting for tuition fees in England and Wales. Later Scottish MPs got rid of fees in Scotland. They couldn't in the UK parliament because there were not enough of them.

Ana, Soontobe spoke of policing,borders , security so I just said Wales has no say in these

Transport just for England? Sorry but that's not possible. Even the dualling of the A1 is contentious. Before the referendum it was going to be dualled all the way up to Edinburgh. Now it's going to stop ten miles short of Berwick. Who pays for roads and railways? National or local? Motorways?

Policing? Do they not have police in Scotland? No cross border? Who pays for them? A criminal commits a crime in England and we have to have Interpol to get him/her out of Scotland?

Fox hunting? Only foxes in England? What happens if a hunt is chasing a fox and it naughtily goes over a border? Do foxes recognise borders?

Farming?
If England decides it wants out of the EU and then gets no farming subsidies, should Scotland suffer as they want to stay in the EU?

Fisheries? Scotland has more fishing rights than England and especially more salmon fishing. Do you want to pay more for Scottish fish because they are not allowed to help in the lawmaking in England?

Border control for Wales? What do you mean, Anniebach?

Wales has no say in it's own laws or policing, or border control or Welsh security

There has been a lot of resentment about MPs voting on issues that affect England but do not affect their own constituencies. Tony Blair managed to get tuition fees for English universities through Parliament only because Scottish MPs voted in favour. It does seem undemocratic and unfair.

Yes I want Scotland to stay in the union.
I dont think that Scotland can manage economically on its own. But if Scotland wanted to leave, then that was ok with me.

I am pretty sure that England do want a union. I havent met anyone in rl who said that they dont.

laws just for England. hmm. mayors, transport, policing, borders, english security, fox hunting, farming and fisheries. I can probably think of more.

I heard this being discussed by parliamentarians - it is for laws which ONLY affect England and not the other three at all - those laws will still be dealt with by the whole of Parliament and it is intended to redress the situation where English MPs cannot get to vote on things which are devolved to the Assemblies or smaller Parliaments. The fact that everyone could vote for all English laws as well as their own was patently unfair. Why anyone should get their knickers in a twist about it is beyond me. There was a lot of unrest about it after the Scottish referendum and the General Election and a promis was made that a solution would be found quickly. This is a far cheaper solution that having a separate English Parliament - in fact I think the other Parliaments/Assemblies should be manned by MPs sitting in the House of Commons and for a couple of days a week they return to their home country and become the MSP or AM for the same constituency - one whole layer of govt removed with one swipe and the corresponding lowering of the total salary and expenses bills!! That would be the fairest solution of all but I cannot see the NI prime minister, Nicola Sturgeon or Carwyn agreeing to it - and I very much like Carwyn -who was my local AM before we moved.

' What laws can you think of that will only effect England and no there country in the Union'

The same sort of laws as the other devolved countries vote to put in place!

Scotland has different criminal laws for example. It isn't on law making but policy practices that the 3 devolved countries have.

theconversation.com/a-political-party-is-threatening-the-union-and-its-not-the-snp-40507

What laws can you think of that will only affect England and no other country in the union?

But presumably because the taxes affects all 4, that does not come under English law?

I think I need to bow out because I really am not up to speed on all of this at all.

So did you want Scotland to stay in the union? If so, why?
Why is it alright for England to want to not have a union now?

Depends which half the English one keeps, soon. They want the right to decide taxes for all four.

Yes you are right durhamjen. I thought I had forgotten something

So 1/2 a Scottish Parliament.
So Scots will only be in effectively 1/2 the English one.
Still logical?

There was a dog's breakfast it's true.

For me it was from the start when 3 out 4 countries that constitute the UK/Union obtained their devolved parliaments and not all 4.

The ' West Lothian' question has been an issue of fairness for donkeys years.

Wasn't it Gerald Kaufman who made the comment in Parliament yesterday that it was 'racist'? . I don't know why then he considers it not 'racist' for the 3 devolved parliaments to vote on their own issues if that is how he determines when it suitable to use the word racist. Added nothing to the debate but 2 mins of fame I guess.

To be honest I think there is a total hypocracy being spoken by those who have their own ability to vote on their own laws, education, health service etc. yet want to refuse the one country that has no right to do the same from having the same powers.

I'll tell you what let's try an experiment. England, Wales, Northern Ireland have devolved parliaments but Scotland can't have one.

It always hits home to me when we have a General Election how the Welsh, Scottish, Northern Ireland Assemblies/Parliaments can continue to function but because we have no English Parliament/Assembly it comes to a halt. How and why is that acceptable? I am not saying that they should also cease to function , I am saying it is yet another reason why the 4th country in the Union should have parity with the other 3.

If only Wales, Northern Ireland and England had devolved parliaments I would be fully behind Scotland in it's quest for it's own devolved parliament, because it would be only fair.

Not only 'this government'. The Scottish people also rejected complete devolution, durhamjen.