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English Votes for English Laws

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durhamjen Fri 03-Jul-15 19:48:25

It's only half a Scottish Parliament. A Scottish Parliament would have been complete devolution, which this government did not want, if you remember, soon. The English parliament still says how much money it is going to give to Scotland, etc.

soontobe Fri 03-Jul-15 19:08:02

As I see it [and I am prepared to be corrected]

there is a scottish parliament for scottish stuff already
so rather logical to then follow that with a parliament for the non scottish stuff, since the scottish parliament actually already exists.
One follows the other, scottish one was first.

durhamjen Fri 03-Jul-15 18:48:58

But if England wants to vote on its own laws, why does it not just leave the union?
Why pretend you want to be in the union, then try to split it?
Anyway, why does Grayling need to fast-track this?

Why can it not be debated properly in the Commons, and have a referendum on it?
If a referendum was needed for Scottish devolution, it surely should be needed here too.

"What will it mean for the part-time Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs?

It's hard to see how an MP without an English constituency can ever again become Prime Minister, or indeed hold many of the top ministry jobs. With so many issues devolved they will have only limited involvement in Westminster life, with a consequent reduction in their influence."

From an article in the i.

grannyonce Fri 03-Jul-15 17:55:22

How can the SNP complain they have a parliament that deals with Scottish matters
it is patently wrong that Scottish MPs get to vote on issues that ONLY affect England. Imagine if the situation was reversed - they would be in full uproar. But lets not let facts get in the way of a good rant.
it is not the English Parliament I would prefer but it is a good compromise.
A Scottish MP could become PM - just not vote on those bills deemed to only affect England
I really should leave the N and P threads alone but they rattle my cage smile

durhamjen Fri 03-Jul-15 17:11:15

Exactly, Lilygran. And why are they trying to rush it through before they go on holiday? I read yesterday that the vote on armed forces in Syria will be put off until after the recess. Surely that is more important.

Lilygran Fri 03-Jul-15 17:04:03

Such a dog's breakfast!

durhamjen Fri 03-Jul-15 16:58:48

There will be three committees, one English, one English and Welsh, one English, Welsh and Northern Irish. These committees get to decide what the full House gets to vote on.

durhamjen Fri 03-Jul-15 16:54:59

This is to be given a fast-track timetable in the Commons, so that MPs can vote on it on 15th July.
Do you think this is right? Less than two weeks to decide on the biggest shakeup since the Act of the Union?

If this goes ahead, no Scottish MP would ever be able to be PM, according to some commentators.
Why was there such a fuss made about Scotland staying in the union when the Government are now wanting to kick Scotland out?
Gerald Kaufman has said that it will undermine the whole basis of British democracy back to the Magna Carta.