English Votes for English Laws

So if the government had its way, the SNP MPs would not be able to vote on any of these bills, even though they think most of them apply to Scotland as well as England.

Just shows why a proper debate is needed.

Reported in the Sunday Herald today :

The Tory government says that over the five years of the last Parliament, the Coalition introduced 20 bills, the provisions of which did not extend to Scotland.
The SNP government says 13 (marked *) did apply to Scotland.

2010-2012
Local Government Finance Bill *
Academies Bill
Charities Bill *
Education Bill *
Local Government Bill
Localism Bill *
Police (Detention and Bail) Bill
Sunday Trading (London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games) Bill
Water Industry (FInancial Assistance) Bill

2012-2013
Defamation Bill *
Jobseekers (Back to Work) Schemes Bill *
Mental Health (Approval Functions) Bill *

2013-2014
Criminal Justice & Courts Bill *
High Speed Rail (London - West Midlands) Bill *
Local Audit and Accountability Bill
Northern Ireland Bill *
Rehabilitation Bill *
Wales Bill *
2014-2015
Modern Slavery Bill *
Social Action & Heroism Bill

Labour's manifesto was £8 by 2019, but that was minimum wage. Jeremy Corbyn says £10 an hour.

£9 an hour by 2020 is not the living wage, which is what Osborne says it is. He is trying to highjack the idea of the living wage without knowing what it really means. He is also cutting tax credits from families before raising the living wage. Have you not been reading about how many families are going to be worse off?

Answering the 13.51 post.

Too many threads to say the same thing. Not complaining.

Wrong thread perhaps, POGS?

Labour said it wanted £8 an hour by 2020 if they won the election, I think it was in their manifesto pledge.

SNP said £8.75 by 2020, if I am not mistaken? Certainly Stewart Hosie, SNP has not challenged it when interviewed.

How does £9 and hour by 2020 point to the conservatives wanting to lower minimum wage/living wage.

yes, Farnorth, I think I said earlier that not having Scottish votes would only have made a difference in 1% of the votes in 3800 divisions in the house.
I agree that the pay deals will be a real mess.
That's why Cameron should stick to his policy of having a vote within a year, and not trying to push it through even before September.
I also think we should have a referendum on it. We do not really know what he means by English laws. He needs to spell it out to the population.

Maybe the hounds should be muzzled, so they cannot kill the fox. They can just chase it to death instead. It would provide more sport for the huntsmen.
They are the ones who want foxhunting back, after all.

I think it will be difficult to police the way a fox is killed. Hounds will have to be called off when their instincts will be telling them to go for the kill.

I can't see it working but if the fox has to die I'd rather leave it to the hounds to do a quick clean kill than a so called 'marksman'

We don't live in a livestock area so I'd be quite happy for the ban to remain but I can see why sheep farmers are keen to have it lifted.

Jen, now two hounds can chase a fox, after the vote a pack can and naturally they are so well trained they will chase the fox for miles until it's exhausted then the hounds will stand and wait for the armed ! huntsman to trot up and shoot the fox

It's unlikely that barring Scottish MPs from voting on English laws will affect many of the final outcomes. It'll just make the government's majority look better.

Those are some very worrying thoughts on pay djen. The last thing Scotland's government would want to do is help the Tories in a race to the bottom on pay scales.

What they are saying with fox hunting is that they will not try to repeal the law, just amend it, so that the hounds can chase foxes, which then have to be shot.
Can anyone else see the flaw in this?

" The reality is that you’re more likely to find a swan and unicorn pasty in your local Greggs shop than see the attitude of Cameron’s government be anything other than sly and vindictive when it comes to people on low incomes.

David Cameron favours the idea of a regional minimum wage. This basically means lower, or higher wages for doing the same work, depending on where you live; a kind of postcode lottery for pay if you like.

We need to be extremely cautious over the Scottish National Party’s demand for devolving powers surrounding the minimum wage. This move would bring about an end to the national minimum wage.

The break up of a UK wide national minimum wage could see England and Wales which, as we know has an in-built Tory majority, scuppering any attempt to increase it, driving wages down not up with Scottish MPs barred from taking part in debates or votes which don’t affect Scotland.

The SNP could actually find themselves enabling David Cameron's nightmarish vision of lower pay in some regions, particularly northern (probably Labour-run) constituencies and in the SouthWest where some health trusts tried to break away from national pay bargaining during the last 5 years.

Regional pay would weaken the BFAWU’s ‘Hungry For Justice’ campaign, which is calling for no worker in the UK to be paid less than £10 an hour."

This is a bit worrying if Evel comes in.

So the government chooses to follow Scotland , perhaps they will do the same with students fees

There is a slight difference to last time round as the vote will be on the same grounds as the law on fox hunting in Scotland which is different to ours I believe.

Seems the fox hunting vote is still set , they have to push that through after the backing of The Countryside Alliance, very powerful members,

They lost the vote because labour,Libs , SNP, DUP and enough Tories voted against . They have to rewrite much of it.

There will be little time to debate with the summer break due

It's because they would have lost the vote, when DUP and their own rebels would have voted against. Which means that Labour would have voted against. They are still having the debate next week, but not the vote, although I would not put it past them to table a vote.

When do they come back from their summer break? When do they have their autumn conventions?
Timing will still be interesting.
Has the fox-hunting vote been postponed, too, Anniebach?

And will it be dealt with properly at that time?

Thank you for that explanation, POGS. It has made things much clearer.

The vote has been postponed until September

I would think most agree with Harriet, there does need change but it must be done properly with full discussions not rushed in this month

No she isn't

I will put it another way. I have obviously not worded my post correctly to make sense. Not sure trying again will work but here goes.

Today at PMQ's Harriet Harman used her time as Opposition Leader to ask the PM a question re the 'process', the 'constitution' , required for EVEL. (English Votes for English Laws.

She said it required more time for debate to get the 'process, the 'constitution correct.

The PM then asked a question of Harriet Harman re the 'general fairness' of the English Vote for English Laws, meaning what is Labours position on the subject.

Her reply to the PM's question on whether or not English Votes for English Laws was fair, the right thing to do she replied:-

" We agree, there's a problem and we agree there needs to be change but it's got to be done properly. Constitutional change has got to be done properly"

In other words she was saying not having English Votes for English Laws is a problem.

Watch it for yourself if you don't believe me. I thought you once posted you do watch PMQ's Durhamjen as a rule, you must have missed today's.

I think POGS is trying to say you were right, FarNorth.

?? I sure am.

To be fair she was saying it has to be debated properly and not rushed through.

The statement I posted was in response to another question as I said.

FarNorth

No.

She was asking a question initially re the 'process', however, the quote I have put forward of her reply was in answer to a question asked by the PM to her. The question she was responding to was a general question re the basic fairness of English Votes for English Laws.