English Votes for English Laws

Durhamjen

Thank you for confirming the points I raised in my post 00.03 at every opportunity you can.

I'm sorry you don't think I am capable of empathy.

That's interesting, FarNorth. Perhaps it's a problem of the Tories wanting to rule everything; they do not know where England ends and Scotland begins.

POGS, my parents were married in Bridlington, we used to go to Robin Hood's Bay every year, and I had a charming B&B in York for ten years. I doubt whether you would have stayed in it though, if you had been to York before. It was rather special.

Anniebach had said you might be from Hull but she did not think so. I just agreed with her. People from Hull usually have more empathy than you appear to have.

I came across this, posted by Peter Grant MP.

"SNP MP Kirsty Blackman wrote to the leader of the House of Commons asking which bills in the current parliamentary session would be designated as "England only" or "England and Wales only" under the government's "English votes for English laws". One of the Bills on the list she got back was the Scotland Bill. ‪#‎couldntmakeitup‬

It is beautiful countryside Vampirequeen, I loved it there

Many great writers and poets were/are depressed Elegran , seems a price paid for such immense talent

Haworth is interesting but like most places that attract a lot of tourists it is very commercialised. The area around Haworth is stunning. Moors, waterfalls and the KWR for steam engine enthusiasts. Beautiful on a sunny day. Brooding on a stormy winter's day. Picturesque when it snows.

The Brontes were all pretty depressed themselves, not surprisingly.

Sounds depressing, I was there in an October, sunshine and the hotel made delicious packed lunches for our walks on the moors , weather perfect for walking and photography

not interesting per se, but simply the truth.A wet day, a steep hill in the centre of Howarth, The Black Bull heaving with Japanese tourists, and a China shop called Capo Di Bronte the most appealing thing there.The Bronte Parsonage and the churchyard there had the most depressing feeling I have ever come across.

Really rosesarered, how interesting

Really AB? I must admit that I didn't find visiting Haworth pleasurable at all.

Hot air only distributed by those objecting to English votes by English MP's ? mmmmm

rosesarered, the Welsh never get excitable about anything English , what is there to get excited about? I admit holidaying in Haworth Country and visiting the Bronte Home was pleasurable , but that's it

I am from Yorkshire btw but perhaps nobody would see me as a person from the North of England?

There has been enough hot air generated by the objections to an English Parliament, and /or English votes by English MP's only on this thread to float a very heavy hot air balloon.

The Welsh are getting a bit excitable now.

Please show me where I referred to 'my race'.

Race classifies humans according to physical attributes such as skin colour.
As I have never mentioned any race I fail to see any of my comments are racist

Ethnicity tends to classify humans according to shared culture and/or ancestral heritage. So at the most you could accuse me of commenting negatively on an ethnic group. Does being a member of a part of a particular ethnic group mean you can't comment on it?

Grannyonce, just read your post re better than nothing, why not an English assembly , that isn't nothing , it works for three countries

But grannyonce,if what you seem to fear was to happen it would be because English MP's , Scots , Welsh and Irish MP's would vote together. It is not possible for the MP's of Scotland, N Ireland and Wales to defeat any bill which had the full support of the English MP's , this is accusing MP's who are not Tory MP's of putting their loyalty to their parties before their duty to their constituencies

I have kept party politics out of my objections to this move by the government you have voiced what seems to be the true reason for the call for English votes for English people ,less opposition for this government to carry through their bills, Tory votes for Tory people seems the truth behind this , if I lived in the North of England I would be terrified

am leaving this thread now as I have been accused of all sorts of dire things and was merely trying to redress the balance from the misinformation/ scaremongering portrayed in the OPs post.
have a lot going on in my personal life and have not the energy to keep on trying.

AB
you say
why one country of the UK is treated differently to the other three and without the consent of the people

this is precisely how the English feel about the current situation.
yes of course we should have an English assembly but we are not getting that just a 'fudge' but it does address the 'Midlothian question' and is better than nothing.

VQ my opinion is justified both re your comment and others on this same thread.
I did not know you were English - nothing in your username said so
Of course English is a race, as is Scottish, Irish and Welsh - England is the country
I think you are confusing English with British - which is a catchall for the races that make up Britian, UK whatever you like to call it.
Do not see my post was that 'offensive' - I took exception to sweeping statements about my 'race' - that is 'racism.' I did not say YOU were 'racist'
Farnorth you write
In any case, 56/59 Scottish MPs at present are SNP and the SNP abstains on English only votes, already, so what's the rush? Even if all the non-english MPs vote against the government, they won't succeed in overruling it. That's simple arithmetic
maybe the Scottish MPs hitherto abstained by tacit agreement but there is no quarantee they will not side with the opposiition parties and defeat bills that have no bearing on their devolved countries (same applies to Wales)

grannyonce, thank you, I really do not think that comment was racist, not as I define racism anyway, is it racist to say the people of x country are very excitable, the people of y country are very reserved, the people of z country are - whatever. This isn't about the people of England , well not for me it isn't , I don't care which government came up with this English votes for English people, it's wrong to ban an elected MP from taking part in any debate or vote in the UK Parliament , the speaker can ban an MP for a length of time if they break a rule but that's it. Every MP swears an oath of loyalty to the crown , they are all equal and all have equal rights , they are there because the people voted for them, silencing MP's who are not English MP's is silencing the voices of the people in three countries , this is not democracy , it's abuse of power . People died for the right to vote, now this right is being taken away from some. This is not against the people of England , it is about abuse of power . The only democratic way for English votes for English people is the same as it was for the Scots and the Welsh, a referendum , if a yes vote - which there would be - then an English assembly not in the chamber, run by assembly members voted for by the people of England and the Houses of Parliament remains a voice at all times for the people of the UK

How ridiculous it would be if welsh votes for welsh people was to be allowed in the chamber , 40 MP's voting and 610 banned from voting

Can you not understand why there is anger when a government can change the laws of parliment which has existed for hundreds of years and why one country of the UK is treated differently to the other three and without the consent of the people

As the writer of the 'Hell, the English....' comment please explain why that's racist. I'm English btw. Is it possible to be racist about your own race? Hang on, is English a race? I thought it was a country.

I have never been accused of racism before and I'd love to know what you based this accusation on.

After making such an offensive accusation I feel you need to justify that opinion.

I agree with Ana. Completely ridiculous if the Speaker is the only one who has any say in the decision of what is an English law.
He's a conservative MP, not an all-wise oracle.

In any case, 56/59 Scottish MPs at present are SNP and the SNP abstains on English only votes, already, so what's the rush?
Even if all the non-english MPs vote against the government, they won't succeed in overruling it. That's simple arithmetic.
Surely this can go through the normal parliamentary channels so that it has a chance of being well thought out.