The Truth Behind The Deficit.?

Good post Nigglynellie.

I wish we could do Minecraft on here, I would build you a brick wall to bash your head on

That is a point rose!!'

Excellent post NN, even though we don't know if this poster is old enough to remember Margaret Thatcher.Or anything else.

I'm not sure how anyone can answer the OP. All I know is that we live in very difficult, dangerous times and that money has to be spent wisely from a much reduced cake. To equate social reforms with those of 70 years ago is just plain ridiculous! Society has changed out of all recognition and nothing stands still. Like it or not, there are people out there who openly milk the system, leaving less for others in genuine need. Surely this needs addressing, or is a free for all?! with the tax payer picking up the bill.
FGS, can't people move away from constantly harking back to Mrs Thatcher? Has it seriously been forgotten what a terrible state this country was in literally verging on bankcruptcy, when she came to power thirty six, yes 36 (!!) years ago! There has actually been a labour government since then so why doesn't that ever come up for scrutiny?!

Well, being ' political animals' has gone well for Greece hasn't it?

Parliament 100

Do you have a blog site?

Well your all wrong, and ive noticed not one constructive comment about my realistic posting. "grumppa". I say well done to the Greeks, at least they show solidarity, which is more than we do. Apathy, and political ignorance rule England, always has, and always will.

One trick pony ranter, do try a gentler thread say "baby vitamins" or "hand washing" as opposed to hand wringing!

Possibly Ivanhoe - remember him? or possibly progeny or partner of Ivanhoe!

grumpa

No, it must be Durhamjen trying out a double membership. (must put in a here in case I am blasted for abusing her)

Of course! that must be it Grumppa , wondered what had happened to him.

I hope he isn't the new Greek Finance Minister.

Yes, I think he may be POGS, or a bored student now that Uni is over for Summer.

Are you the young lad on the internet talking about cigarettes by any chance?

First of all in my opinion we do not spend too much on welfare. We dont spend enough!

Our State pensions are much lower than European levels, and German Social Security is 3 to 4 times higher than ours, and non means tested.

This is proven by a recent press article stating that English immigrants unemployed in Germany receive three to four times the amount of non- means tested Social Security from the German tax payer, than Eastern European immigrants unemployed here in Britain receive from the British tax payer in means tested benefits.

Welfare spending on State pensioners here in Britain represents 46 per cent of the budget, the highest proportion, with the Winter Fuel payment representing just 2 per cent, and Pensions Credit is just 5 per cent..

Income Support represents 5 per cent of the budget, and Employment Support Allowance is just 2 per cent, with Job Seekers Allowance at just 3 per cent. Disability Living Allowance is just 8 per cent. And Housing Benefit is just 14 per cent, other benefits are even less by percentage, but we are being lead to believe we have a bludgeoning State, we dont!

TV programmes like Benefits Street, have truly cornered the market in cheap, sensationalist, so-called entertainment, and people watch, then judge, then make it the whole.

And in my view, this is part parcel of how and why David Cameron made it back into number 10. 36.7 per cent of the electorate, under 25 per cent of the population, assisted in securing David Cameron another 5 years in Government. 75 per cent of the country didn’t want Cameron back in number 10. This is a true vote of no confidence in the Government and in our totally undemocratic “first past the post” voting system, FPTP, is simply not fit for purpose.

In my 99.9 per cent of the public dont realise that this right wing Tory Government are using the deficit as a cover to shrink the State for ideological reasons, Austerity is just a media tag, and further more this all began in the 1980’s when Margaret Thatcher began rolling back the State for the same ideological purposes.

When the 2010 coalition was formed David Cameron and George Osborne continued where Margaret Thatcher left off, and now since May 7th, 37 per cent of the English electorate put David Cameron and George Osborne back into 10 Downing Street, effectively giving them permission to carry through Margaret Thatcher’s original 1980 objective to shrink the State further, and this is exactly what they are doing. They are driven by their right wing ideology, nothing will derail them from their target.

Britain is an exceedingly rich country, no child need live in poverty, , nobody should need to rely on food banks, but they do.

According to The Trussell Trust, over 1 million people now use food banks, and The Trussell Trust say this figure doesn’t include food banks run by other charities, and churches.

But this right wing Tory Government are not reducing the State due to costs, David Cameron and George Osborne are reducing the State because they are ideologically opposed to the State and everything attached to it. They do not believe in the concept of the NHS, and they have an inherent loathing of the Welfare State.

We are allowing ourselves to be conned into believing that Tory Austerity is good for us, good for the country, good for the tax paper. Why else would 37 per cent of the English electorate, from a 66 per cent turn-out, vote for more of the same ?. It’s because we English are largely not political animals, unlike the German’s, French, and Greeks.

I have always known that Britain’s welfare State is based on charity, paid out on a means tested bases, to those most in need, targeted, with a costly and expensive bureaucratic system behind it.

Where European Welfare Systems are based on solidarity, non means tested, EU workers pay more income tax and other contributions to pay for generous payments compared to ours.....

And this is because the European State plays a vital role in investment and subsidy, where the UK’s State has been rolled back and stigmatized since the 1980’s and the Thatcher years.

I just cannot believe those who voted Tory on May 7th, truly want the kind of society David Cameron and George Osborne are creating ?

It doesn't say all Tory supporters are greed infested Ana and, although I do think a few will be, I feel many of the people who paint all those receiving benefits as being of a particular type are just lacking in knowledge while believing the propaganda - they may not all be Tory supporters either.

'greed infested Tory supporters' is one phrase that I noted, Gracesgran, although not technically an adjective of course...

I think many will agree with Parliament100, whenim64 and I am not sure what "insulting adjectives" you are seeing.

Its not confusing if you know what's truly happening care of Cameron and Osborne.

Parliament why run down all of them in your first post and defend some of them in your latest, then? Confusing!

My politics have nothing to do with what the Tory's are doing. They are running down all the social changes that came in under a Labour Government after WW2, and they are getting away with it.

There are a lot of decent left of centre Conservatives who dont like what's happen, but they cant do a thing about it.

Parliament100 whilst I disagree with much of tory policy, your diatribe which is peppered with insulting adjectives doesn't exactly enhance your explanation. To say that these changes will be dismantled with no opposition doesn't make sense. Do you mean tory MPs will be ordered not to oppose them? Not all agree, after all. Socialist supporters can argue against these plans more effectively without your help, thanks very much. Or maybe you're not a socialist?