Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

Great entrepreneurs the Quakers, ethical capitalism.

Hence the link with Joseph Rowntree, Gracesgran.

Elizabeth Fry the prison reformer always comes to my mind as well as all the young men who lost their lives in the Friends Ambulance Unit during WW2; pacifists but very brave men.

Having lived in York for ten years, we met quite a few. Our next door neighbours were Quakers. We lived near the Rowntree factory, not far from the Rowntree village which was built for the workers at the factory.
When most of the Quaker philanthropists were working, there was no such thing as socialism. However, we have the Rowntrees to thank for bank holidays, and the start of research into poverty.

Haha! Here's a good idea about what should influence leadership voters the most: which of the candidates is likely to annoy David Cameron the most?

The poser of the question thinks that would be Cooper, not Corbyn.

Why Cooper in particular?

Listening to Andy Burham in TV last night i was amused to note his northern accent has 'becoom' more pronounced, though he sounded more Lancashire that Liverpudlian

Listening to him on radio at moment he doesn't sound any different?

JUST VOTED on line.

We need more than for David Cameron to be annoyed. We need him to be opposed.

anya I worked for a female Scouser boss and she would often use her accent to either annoy, get people's attention, or would just generally apply it to a lesser or greater extent depending on the event or occasion or audience. I always found that very interesting.

At the same place of work, my West Indian colleague had "a work accent" and "a homey accent" - her words, not mine.

Sorry for digression.

Isn't Liverpool in Lancashire? Admit my English geography isn't great

I think Cameron would have a problem facing Yvette at PMQ because she is a she, he is is an arrogant bully and has been criticised for patronising woman in the house . I know of no other PM who asks far more questions at PMQ than he answers.

Very different accents Annie - I used to live in Lancashire and work in Liverpool and no, Liverpool isn't in Lancashire, it's in Merseyside

There are lots of different Lancashire accents.
Liverpool was indeed in Lancashire before 'Merseyside' was invented, but the accent is completely different from Salford, which is completely different from the Blackburn/Accrington area.
Then again there's the Furness peninsula (now in Cumbria but still has a Lancashire postcode and which is almost a foreign country) exemplified by Victoria Wood taking about her friend Kimberly

m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2XOxVruFZc

Victoria Wood doing the Furness accent.
Sorry to introduce levity to the thread
As you were

well 'beat me on the bottom with a woman's weekly' Jane ... that's the best diversion of any political thread ever!!!

We need more than for David Cameron to be annoyed. We need him to be opposed.

That's the top and bottom of it FarNorth and I do not hear any hope of opposition from any of the other three candidates.

DJ

Richard Murphy is an accountant and an economist.

I can't do links but I think the evidence overwhelmingly supports that to be the case and it is easy to find. When interviewed I have noted he is introduced as an economist, not an accountant.

For those who wonder why I mentioned Murphy . I find that if a link is put forward as either an explaination of a view by a poster rather than using their own words or a link is provided for information then it is perfectly acceptable to also be clear what/if/how a link can be deemed as biased/impartial/, a link rarely is unbiased /impartial on a poltical thread, whether it be left/right/center of the political divide. Hence links on political threads are either speaking to the converted or only one side of any discussion and I hope they are viewed with that in mind.

I see today Burnhams speech where he attempted to 'cosy up to' Corbyn voters has caused a few ructions in the Cooper camp. I thought it was a sign of weakness and desperation for Burnham to take that route as he has been so outspoken concerning the wide gap between his and Corbyns thinking. Cooper might gain a few votes from those on the center ground of Labour because of it, possibly.

Anya

I can't understand why Keynsisan economics is being viewed as left wing.

jane I read that as "Sorry for introducing lefity to the thread"

pogs I agree with your para 're posting of links.

I'm a relative newcomer to UK politics and read a lot to try and get my head around the different camps. I have no historical knowledge as a frame of reference. There must be lots of voters like me out there.

Why are you a relative newcomer to UK politics? Which political system do you come from?

As far as links are concerned, it's up to you whether you read them or you do not. GNHQ has made it easy to put links on here now. All you need to do is cut and paste, or right click.

An excellent article here about why people are listening to Corbyn.

politics.co.uk/blogs/2015/08/18/labour-be-learning-from-corbyn-not-conspiring-against-him

Dj I grew up in South Africa and lived there until 2000. Then we moved here. It was "keep your head down and work hard" for most of the first ten years. When we arrived here, the "New Labour" delirium was still apparent. I found it all a bit bemusing - why wouldn't I? (I met TB once, at work and everyone was all a-quiver, excepting me).

Anyway if I say I'm still trying to get my head around UK national and European politics, then that's how it is. And I am. Saying that.

V Wood didn't get the pronunciation of 'two' right. You might be able to imagine the sound in your head if I tell you that school in N Lancs is pronounced skiwell.

Good diversion though