Concern within the Labour Party that Jeremy Corbyn is doing well

What is all this nonsense about arms dealers to the right,all Governments including Labour sell arms to ( more or less) all and sundry,granted they should be careful about who they do business with, but if our country does not sell arms other countries get the deals instead and British workers are out Of a job.A certain amount of pragmatism is needed in this area.

I'm off will try to listen to JC on the car radio
Have a good afternoon everyone

Or immorality - you takes your choice.

Pacifists should remember the last world war, if the pacifists and appeasers had their way back then, this country would now be run by Germany along with a few other countries. Think about that, particularly if you happen to be Jewish, or have Jewish friends.

You takes your choice on that aspect too whitewave.

Going back a bit as I have been out. Wed 19-Aug-15 09:39:19 Fear seems to be standard Conservative Party campaigning now Annie. I do think it pays to remember that Labour actually increased its share of the vote in the election earlier in the year too.

TriciaF Just had a thought. Check your emails as I have a feeling that new members were going to be emailed not sent postal votes.

Why is truth dismissed as nonsense by those on the far right . So we keep people in employment by making and selling arms then employ soldiers to bomb to bits the countries we sell arms to because they are using the arms we choose to sell them in ways we condemn , love the logic in this. Pity the arms dealers didn't put some money back into this country so badly wounded soldiers could receive proper treatment for the injuries they received from the arms we sold

Gracesgran, fear plus divide to rule is the mantra of the Tories

How to make friends and agree with people ...

Shopping in a local (national) supermarket I decided to treat myself to this weeks New Statesman. I just put it on top of my shopping without thinking when I was stopped by a chap wanting to know where it was on the shelves ... and what did I think about Corbyn ... and wouldn't it be good to get back to Labour principles ... and could Labour win an election with him as leader ... and several uncomplimentary things about Blair ... and he had a superb education - including university - at no direct cost and weren't we letting this generation down (it turned out his daughter went to the same school as mine) and ... and ... and

I got away saying I must finish my shopping but he was clearly concerned and I was interested to see that it is not just those of us discussing it here. Then I was stopped again - got away fairly quickly this time after agreeing that this was an important time ... and I tucked the NS under my shopping

True Annie.

The Labour supporters who knocked on peoples' doors at the last election said that people were not keen on Labour because of their handle on financial matters.

JC is going to do nothing to improve that image.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/08/19/qe-did-not-work-thats-why-we-need-peoples-qe/

For anyone else but soon, as she will not read it or believe it.

Cameron doesn't care what harm he inflicts on the vulnerable , the needy, children in poverty, he will spend a few years feeding his massive ego and then trot off to a desk in the city, the mess he leaves behind will not trouble him

www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/ourkingdom/35-economists-back-corbyn%27s-policies-as-%27sensible%27

Coming late to this discussion, but haven't seen what for me are the most compelling reasons for voting for Jeremy. He doesn't slag off his opponents. He means what he says and doesn't dissemble. His approach and policies are appealing to younger people, possibly many of whom are switched off by the brawling, bitching and generally ridiculous behaviour of most of our politicians. As an agent for change, I think he's the best chance we have of lifting politics out of the gutter. And I support most of his policies.

www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/ian-sinclair/what-jeremy-corbyn-supporters-can-learn-from-margaret-thatcher

Apparently Paddy Power has already started paying out on bets that Corbyn will win.

Well said Hettie, I did post early in the thread that many young people are now interested in politics , they don't want smooth photo shoots and scripts , they want what Corbyn is offering, no dodging questions, no putting others down, they want change and he is offering change

I became a member of the Green party early this year, just wanted to do a 'Here I Stand' on the environment and social justice and they are a truly democratic party. I hope there will be more green MPs in the future to be a real pain in the side of the other parties.

However, I heard Jeremy Corbyn talk on the after lunch news and had I not already signed on the dotted line I would have been tempted to cheat, pay my £3 and vote for him. Who knows what the future of the Labour party will be but I wish him well.

Anniebach, you don't seem to be able to take it in, but selling arms is done by all countries and would still continue in the future, even if Corbyn was PM.
In fact, if he and Labour ever do get into power, they would find it not so easy as they think to change a lot of things, this is what all new governments find, and they end up taking the middle way.Making sweeping statements of intent by a shadow cabinet is oh so easy, implementing them and making sure the country does well, is a different matter.

The Greens want to cooperate with a Labour Party led by Corbyn anyway, alternative, so your views will be heard.
Too late to sign up now anyway; the deadline was the glorious twelfth.

You're right, roses. Implementing statements of intent seems to impossible for this government to do, too. It certainly cannot make sure the country does well. If that's what you think, you live in a different country to most of us.

I was a Labour voter long ago. They seem to have lost their way and Blair has been a disaster. I do agree that the way the pressure group are behaving is appalling and it is more and more evident what chaos the party is in. If nothing else, the election of Jeremy Corbyn is going to rattle a lot of cages.

I heard him on a phone-in today on Radio 4 (at 1 I think). I stopped to listen and he seemed human (a rare quality in politicians these days) and very good to me. I was annoyed at the way callers were allowed to attack him, I do despise our media and how they think they must behave in the wake of Paxman.

I'm not sure the UK is likely anymore to return to left wing ideals and that is what worries me about his approach but then again, I see so much inequality and plain unhappiness around me, something has to change.

It sounds like way to meet a nice man. gracesgran Buy the New Statesman!
I must try it sometime.

JC was very good on news at one this lunchtime. I think his style could grow on people.

It is usually impossible for all Governments Djen, the operative word is 'all.'
They will get some done, or even most, but never all policies.
'Most of us'? You surely mean the few Grans on here who agree with your own very left wing views.the Conservatives are in power because ' most of us' actually voted them in,and didn't trust Labour with the economy.

Well no, most didn't vote the Tories in , 36% of the electorate did