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The Left's way forward

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whitewave Mon 13-Jul-15 09:49:24

Perhaps it is time to begin the debate. Anyone interested? And if so how to start? I have some ideas but no doubt there are other ones out there.

whitewave Thu 23-Jul-15 16:03:22

I think although I shouldn't really talk for others, but if you look at the cabinet ask yourself what is the % of privately educated folk, and then work out the % of overall privately educated people and then perhaps you may understand why people talk about poshness I think it is shorthand for inequality.

durhamjen Thu 23-Jul-15 15:59:10

But again, how can you leave politics out of it, grumppa? What do you know about Cameron on a personal level that allows you to know what kind of person he is, other than what he wants you to see?

trisher Thu 23-Jul-15 15:47:48

No being "posh" isn't a crime and i don't dislike him because he is posh. I dislike him because he pretends to be an ordinary guy, something he definitely isn't.

Ana Thu 23-Jul-15 15:47:43

I like Angela Eagle! She's a character all right...

rosesarered Thu 23-Jul-15 15:38:03

To be fair, often people are more charming when you meet them rather than seeing them on TV , I suspect that is the case with Ed Miliband as well.

rosesarered Thu 23-Jul-15 15:36:11

Yes Tegan, many over the years, Roy Hattersley, Andy Burnham, Harold Wilson( who I met in the 1960's), Barbara Castle John Prescott, and not many people like him but Ken Livingstone, who I also met once when he was chairman of the GLC.

rosesarered Thu 23-Jul-15 15:30:29

Leaving politics/ policies out of it, some people are always going to be more charming and likeable than others.
David Cameron is, Tony Blair WAS, Michael Portillo was too, also Nick Clegg .

Tegan Thu 23-Jul-15 15:28:37

Not a crime. Just tips the balance when it comes to liking or disliking someone. Out of interest, are there any Labour politicians that you like, purely because you 'like' them?

durhamjen Thu 23-Jul-15 15:26:52

Corbyn included?

rosesarered Thu 23-Jul-15 15:24:57

one! The iPad strikes again.

rosesarered Thu 23-Jul-15 15:24:34

All leaders/ would be Leaders try and be on of the herd, it's what people do.

rosesarered Thu 23-Jul-15 15:23:12

So, being ' a posh bloke' is a crime is it?

trisher Thu 23-Jul-15 15:18:34

What has Cameron done to be disliked?-well he has modelled himself on Tony Blair to start with. He has the same gestures, the same speech patterns, the same smarmy expression. He has made himself into something he isn't so people will vote for him. He is a posh bloke, a one-time member of the Bullingdon Club and this "Call me Dave" act doesn't appeal to me.

Tegan Thu 23-Jul-15 15:17:28

I don't think we can always pinpoint why we either like or dislike certain people; it shouldn't have a bearing on who we vote for but it does. I must say that his attempts at being 'hi, I'm Dave and I'm an ordinary guy just like you' annoy me, but he strikes me as being a decent bloke. And, try as I might I can't dislike Boris either, but that's probably because he's always so funny on HIGNFY. Shallow reasons I know but I have to be honest about them.

grumppa Thu 23-Jul-15 15:02:16

What has Cameron done, leaving politics out of it, to be disliked, Anniebach? Like Corbyn, he didn't choose where to go to school; he seems to be a good father and husband.

durhamjen Thu 23-Jul-15 15:01:46

Here's an interesting video clip from a programme on LBC showing why Corbyn is in the lead.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-video-which-shows-why-jeremy-corbyn-is-winning-in-the-labour-leadership-race-10409578.html

Anniebach Thu 23-Jul-15 14:31:15

Ken Clarke's grandfather was a member of the communist party . He was state school educated - Ken not his Grandfather . Do we truly leave our roots I wonder

Tegan Thu 23-Jul-15 14:20:22

Have always thought that Ken Clarke was in the wrong party. Never understood that. Respected by everyone..not many MP's like that these days. He was at the opening of the new A453 the other day.

Anniebach Thu 23-Jul-15 14:02:23

Leaving his politics out of it, I dislike Cameron , I like Ken Clarke and think he would have been a good party leader . personality certaintly matters now, I don't like rehearsed charm , I like Prescott, no charm but I see a vulnerability in the man . I agree on Barbara Castle , way ahead of her time,pity

Tegan Thu 23-Jul-15 13:41:53

No, what I mean is that her personality was so strong that you either loved her or hated her [and it's ongoing to this day]. Maybe charisma isn't the right word but in this day and age personality sways people when it comes to voting. I have to admit to finding it difficult to dislike Cameron, much as I loathe his policies, and I found it hard to like Ed Milliband, even though I started off supporting him.

Anniebach Thu 23-Jul-15 13:36:29

John Prescott was asked his opinion in interviews this morning and he politely gave his opinion. The News leads with - .prescott attacks ! there was no attack, he gave sensible views

New labour has gone . Scotland showed this is so

Anniebach Thu 23-Jul-15 13:32:57

Tegan, charisma doesn't divide surely.

Anya Thu 23-Jul-15 12:38:10

I don't think they have a clue Tegan certsinly the arrogant bastard man himself thinks he's wonderful.

FarNorth Thu 23-Jul-15 12:36:10

Most of the Labour MPs seem to have trouble understanding a lot of basic facts.

Tegan Thu 23-Jul-15 12:24:33

Do the Labour Party not understand how hated the man is these days?